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Capture Eyes with tears 1Welcome to another post in the series of posts that I have entitled, Warning You With Tears Wednesdays. Lord willing, at least once a month on Wednesdays I will be writing and sharing one of these posts with you so that I can make you all aware of some important information that I come across on the Internet that you may not have heard about.
Since I knew that I would soon be starting a new part-time job (and I did in June) and that my free time would then be somewhat limited, I was trying to think of something that I could write on a regular basis that would be short and to the point (at least that was my intention). And since I am a detective-at-heart and desire to make you all aware of the importance of testing things that pastors and teachers say (and do) in light of Scripture (Acts 17:11), the idea to do these posts — as well as the name — came to my mind in November of 2014, based on Acts 20:26-31:

“For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.”

So with all of that in mind, here is what I’d like to share with you in today’s WARNING YOU WITH TEARS WEDNESDAY:

Those of you who are Bible believing Christians and are not only stunned at the acceleration of world events, the rise of moral decay, and the apostasy that we are witnessing among many professing Christians these days, but also are shocked at the fact that many Christians are embracing the many mystical, New Age practices that are entering many churches these days, you are probably as certain as I am that the return of Jesus Christ may be sooner than any of us could even imagine! Just consider these new hi-tech devises that are enticing people to buy into these ideas! Sadly, many will be seduced into purchasing them without even giving any thought to the fact that they are revealing highly personal information to more people than they realize, and they don’t stop to think of the many possible consequences! As you read these articles, keep in mind what God’s Word reveals to us in Chapter 13 of the Book of Revelation!

1) FORGET CREDIT CARDS NOW YOU CAN PAY WITH YOUR EYES – SMITHSONIAN MAGAZINE

2) BRAIN-SCANNING SOFTWARE BLOCKS YOUR NOTIFICATIONS WHILE YOU’RE BUSY – TRUNEWS

For those of you who enjoyed some of the past movies produced by the Kendrick Brothers, such as Flywheel, Facing The Giants, Fireproof, and Courageous and have been alarmed to hear that Beth Moore and Priscilla Schirer, are in their new movie, War Room, here’s a very balanced review of the movie written  by  Seth Dunn:

WAR ROOM: A REVIEW OF THE MOVIE AND THE INDUSTRY SURROUNDING IT

 

 

If you’d like, you can also read a post that I previously wrote concerning Priscilla Shirer and Beth Moore that has a lot of additional information that I found on Lighthouse Trails Research. This information will show you that they both promote Contemplative Prayer and mysticism:

HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL LEADERSHIP, CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP, AND THE LACK OF BIBLICAL DISCERNMENT

And speaking of mysticism, here’s an article that I found posted at  Lighthouse Trails Research with information you need to know so that you will not be deceived by those who may try to lead you into having “experiences with God” instead of telling you that you will come to know God through His Word, the Bible. Beware of those who may tell you:  “God can be found only in the silence.”

NEW BOOKLET TRACT: BIG NOISY GOD — DISPELLING THE RUMOR THAT GOD CAN BE FOUND “ONLY IN THE SILENCE”

 

For those of you who have been waiting for the release of Ray Comfort’s full movie, Audacity, here it is! Let’s be in prayer that God will open the eyes and hearts of those who will choose to watch this movie, that they will see and respond to the truth presented in this movie — especially the truth of God’s Word that is shared in this movie — no matter what a person’s reason may be for watching it!

Do you remember this video of Jefferson Bethke that went viral when it was posted on 1/10/12? (Amount of views at the time that I posted this video: 29,917,192).

And do you know that discerning sense that you get when you first hear about something  Christian related becoming very popular, such as the above  video, as well as Purpose Driven Life, The Shack, and Jesus Calling? Well, as a friend played the above video for me a couple of years ago, I sensed something was not quite right, but I never got around to doing research on it. Then, just last week, I came across this information posted by Lighthouse Trails Research. (I’ll give you a hint: Jeff Bethke attended Mark Driscoll’s church).

LETTER TO THE EDITOR: WHAT ABOUT JEFF BETHKE’S BOOK JESUS > RELIGION? — A BOOK WITH AN AGENDA

NEW BOOKLET TRACT: THEY HATE CHRISTIANITY BUT LOVE (ANOTHER) JESUS

I’ll end this post with another article by Lighthouse Trails Research that was written by Harry A. Ironside to bring glory to God:

IRONSIDE: A WONDERFUL EXPECTATION!–HE IS COMING AGAIN!

AMEN! Come, Lord Jesus! But please first draw our loved ones to Yourself who have not yet placed their full trust in Your completely propitiatory sacrifice on the cross as full payment for their sins! Please grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of Satan who has taken them captive to do his will, and that they would choose to do Your will. Fill them with a godly sorrow that brings repentance that leads them to salvation, and that they would not just have a worldly sorrow that only leads to death. Help them to come to know of Your mercy, Your grace, and Your forgiveness, and that they would choose this day to serve You. In Jesus name I pray. Amen! (Prayer based on: John 6:44, 2 Timothy 2:25,26, 2 Corinthians 7:10, Titus 3:4-7)

Thank you very much for stopping by and taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

 

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“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.  And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” Revelation Chapter 13 King James Version (KJV) by Public Domain

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”        (1 Timothy 4:1)

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when  men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” (2 Timothy 3:16,17-4:1-4)

“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

“Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that He may lift you up in due time. Cast all your anxiety on Him because He cares for you. Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” (1 Peter 5:6-8)

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” (1 John 4:1)

“But evil men and imposters will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.” (2 Timothy 3:13)

“But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of His mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by His grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.” (Titus 3:4-8)

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Capture Eyes with tears 1Welcome to another post in the series of posts that I have entitled, Warning You With Tears Wednesdays. Lord willing, at least once a month on Wednesdays I will be writing and sharing one of these posts with you so that I can make you all aware of some important information that I come across on the Internet that you may not have heard about.

Since I knew that I would soon be starting a new job (and I did last week)  and that my free time will then be somewhat limited, I was trying to think of something that I could write on a regular basis that would be short and to the point (at least that was my intention). And since I am a detective-at-heart and desire to make you all aware of the importance of testing things that pastors and teachers say (and do) in light of Scripture (Acts 17:11), the idea to do these posts — as well as the name — came to my mind in November of 2014, based on Acts 20:26-31:

“For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.”

So with all of that in mind, here is what I’d like to share with you in today’s WARNING YOU WITH TEARS WEDNESDAY:

If you have been noticing alarming changes taking place within your church and you can’t quite understand what’s happening and why, this article may answer some of your question:

HOW TO KNOW WHEN THE EMERGING CHURCH SHOWS SIGNS OF EMERGING IN YOUR CHURCH (Article written by Roger Oakland of UNDERSTAND THE TIMES, and posted on Facebook by Pastor Randy White).

Here’s a presentation that Roger Oakland gave on this very important topic:

Many are baffled by the decision that Pastor James MacDonald of Harvest Bible Chapel recently made when he announced at the Southern Baptist Convention that his church has voted to affiliate with the Southern Baptist Convention. You can read all the Twitter comments on the subject HERE. Personally I find his decision somewhat alarming considering the fact that Rick Warren and Beth Moore are also Southern Baptist, and they promote false unity and mysticism:

RICK WARREN ENDORSES 2013 BOOK, “CATHOLICS COME HOME” – CALLS CATHOLIC EVANGELIZATION “CRITICALLY IMPORTANT” – LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS

RICK WARREN SAYS POPE FRANCIS IS THE POPE OF ALL CHRISTIANS WORLDWIDE (VIDEOS) – NOW THE END BEGINS

RICK WARREN, ROMAN CATHOLIC MYSTICS AND POPE FRANCIS ROGER OAKLAND – UNDERSTAND THE TIMES

RICK WARREN RECOMMENDS PAGAN MANTRA TECHNIQUE FOR CHRISTIANS – STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH

IS BETH MOORE’S “SPIRITUAL AWAKENING” TAKING THE EVANGELICAL CHURCH TOWARD ROME? – LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS

BETH MOORE ATTACKS THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION (ALSO INCLUDES INFORMATION CONCERNING HER PROMOTION OF MYSTICISM) – KEN SILVA – APPRISING MINISTRIES

In case you’re not aware of the mystical, unbiblical form of prayer that is being highly promoted by Beth Moore, Rick Warren, and many others these days, here’s a post giving you a lot of very good information on the subject: CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER-BEREAN RESEARCH

With all of that in mind, a word of caution goes out to those of you who attend Harvest: Since James presents many of Beth Moore’s Bible book studies at Harvest and since he thinks so highly of her, and in light of the fact that James has been involved with Rick Warren at previous conferences (HERE is one for an example) the bond between all of them may be getting tighter. If Rick Warren or Beth Moore ever show up as guest speakers, I suggest that you run — not walk — to the nearest exit and do not go back!

What would you do if you found out that your children were being taught gender fluidity in school?

THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS BOYS AND GIRLS – POSTED BY ‘STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH

And what would you do if you found out that, in the name of religious freedom, the school that your child is attending is allowing devil worshipers to hand out coloring books filled with their beliefs? 


One of my dear friends who moved out of state called me two weeks ago. After we caught up on what has been happening in our lives, she asked me if I have heard of the term transabled. When I told her that I had not, she proceeded to explain to me what it was. I was horrified! I was also filled with a deep sense of  anger because I see this as just another way that Satan is using in his attempt to destroy God’s greatest creation –mankind. Because we are created in the image and likeness of God, Satan is resorting to doing all that he can to pervert and to destroy as many as he can. So many precious teens and others are already in the state of confusion with what is being presented to them concerning their gender, and now this! You can read  this heartbreaking and disturbing story posted by Christian News, HERE.

For those of you who, because of deep hurt and anger welling up within you for how you feel about what you may have done, or what has been done to you or a loved one, and because you have also lost all hope you have resorted to inflicting pain upon yourself through cutting  yourself or harming yourself in some way in an attempt to deal with your pain, please read these articles, as well as the Scriptures that I posted below:

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT SELF-MUTILATION – 412TEENS.ORG

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT SELF HARM, SELF-MUTILATION /CUTTING’ – GOT QUESTIONS

 I’ll end this post with something good to give God the praise and glory that He is so deserving of:

If any of you still doubt the humanity of a ‘fetus,’ please watch this video of a 14-week old fetus unborn baby clapping.

 

RELATED SCRIPTURES

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.”              (Ephesians 4:11-13)

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (1 Corinthians 1:10)

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.”                                  (1 Corinthians 12:12)

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” (2 Corinthians 11:2-4)

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9)

 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And He said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is. And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?” (Luke 12:51-56)

Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28-30)

O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether. Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? Or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.” (Psalm 139: 1-10)

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon Him; for He careth for you. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.” (1 Peter 5:6-8)

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.  Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” (Romans 5:6-10)

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” (Romans 3:19-28)

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.” (1 John 4:9,10)

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” (Galatians 2:20,21)

Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”               (Acts 4:12)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.” (John 14:6)

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:5,6)

 

Thank you for stopping by and taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

In the search for choosing Christian teachers to build up the body of Christ (Ephesians 4:11-15) it seems that some Christian leaders at Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows are among the many today who have forgotten the importance of Biblical discernment. Some may believe that since a person is a professing Christian and a gifted and popular speaker and Bible teacher, as well, that their words and teachings must then be trustworthy.  But what happened to Biblical discernment and the commands in Scripture that we are to test the words of men — and women — in light of Scripture?  (Acts 17:11) Have pastors forgotten their important roles to be shepherds who are to watch over their sheep and how Scripture warns that they are to ‘keep watch over themselves and their flock,’ and that Scripture says that ‘even from our own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them,’ and how we are to ‘be on guard?’  (Acts 20)

Some of those questions — and more — came to mind when, on Sunday, March 9th, 2014, I saw on Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows weekly sermon’ page that they were informing women that a new DVD series by Priscilla Shirer entitled GIDEON: YOUR WEAKNESS GOD’S STRENGTH would be starting soon, as you can see from the ‘screen capture’ below:

Capture HBC NEW WOMEN'S SMALL GROUP

Great title, for sure!  But this is the question that all of us need to answer: Does everything she teach line up with Scripture?  Well, since the reason for writing this post is to warn those at Harvest Bible Chapel (as well as others) about Bible teacher, author, and speaker, Priscilla Shirer, the answer to that question is: No.

In the past I have read some posts written about Priscilla Shirer warning about some of the unbiblical things she teaches, as well as some of the false teachers she associates with, but I couldn’t quite remember all the details, so I decided to do my own investigation by listening to some of her videos so I could then share with you what I found after testing what she said against Scripture. (Acts 17:11)

One thing I learned about her that I wasn’t aware of before, is that her father is Christian Pastor, speaker, and author, Dr. Tony Evans, who also has a radio program on Moody radio.  I also discovered that she was one of the  speakers at Moody’s Founders Week this past February 2014, and that she preached from Chapter 6 of Deuteronomy to a large group of women –and men.  (Hmmm. Doesn’t God’s Word say in 1 Timothy 3:14,15, and 2:11-15 that a woman is not to be put in a position of teaching men?)  Please consider taking some time to listen to the videos I posted below, and think carefully about what she is saying in light of Scripture and see what conclusions you come to.  Yes, she presents herself very well, and holds her audience’s attention, but does she focus on the truth recorded in Scripture?  Or does she — at times — share with her predominantly Christian audience something entirely different –and even unbiblical?

First of all, if any of you are not aware of what Contemplative/Centering Prayer is, I would like to ask you to please take the time to read this excellent article written by Pastor Gary Gilley of Southern View Chapel, so that you are aware of what to look for when you listen to Priscilla Shirer and others (such as Beth Moore) who, in different degrees, promote this unbiblical method of  so-called ‘prayer’ that teaches you ‘how to hear ‘God’ speak to you’:

PASTOR GARY GILLEY – CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER

 

Priscilla Shirer on Gideon

 

Priscilla Shirer Discusses the 5 Ps of Bible Study.mov

 

He Speaks To Me In this video Priscilla says,  “He Speaks To Me’ is about preparing ourselves, positioning ourselves to hear the voice of our Savior.”

 

Speak Lord

 

Priscilla Shirer – Founders Week 2014

 

Priscilla Shirer announcing being at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church along with Beth Moore and Christine Caine

 

Priscilla Shirer with Joyce Meyer

 

An example of Joyce Meyer‘s False Teachings

 

‘Stewarding the Presence’ – Priscilla Shirer at Brian Houston‘s Hillsong Conference 2011

 

Chris Rosebrough Sermon Reviews — Warning people about the dangers of Brian Houston:

FIGHTING FOR THE FAITH: BEREAN ADVISORY: BRIAN HOUSTON

 

Priscilla Shirer – along with Beth Moore (another teacher that is highly promoted at Harvest Bible Chapel, and many other churches, as well) and many others — made a DVD entitled, BE STILL,’ in which the main message is ‘how to hear from God.’

Time With God – Excerpt from the DVD ‘Be Still’

INFORMATION CONCERNING ‘CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER’ IN THE ‘BE STILL’ DVD:

‘LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH PROJECT’ –  ‘BE STILL DVD’

Though we are not to judge the heart and motives of a Christian, or where they stand concerning their relationship with Jesus Christ, we are told in  Scripture that we are to ‘make a right judgment,’ and that we are to ‘examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said (by those who claim to speak for Christ) is true,’ and how we are to ‘test all things and hold fast to what is true,’  (John 7:24, Acts 17:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22) and we are also told to “earnestly contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.”  (Jude 3) 

I am sure that most of you have heard the expression, ‘You can’t judge a book by its cover,”  but sometimes the title of a book (or video) can be very telling on what an author is trying to convey through their words.  With that in mind, please take a look at some of the ‘screen captures‘ of Priscilla Shirer‘s books and a comment made by someone who has read her books:

Capture Priscilla Shirer Discerning the Voice of God

Capture Priscilla Shirer's Book 'Can We Talk'.

Capture Review of Priscilla Shirer's Book 'Can We Talk'

Note that Beth Moore wrote the forward to Priscilla’s following book:

Capture Priscilla Shirer 'He Speaks To Me'

Capture Discerning the Voice of God Priscilla Shirer description of bookALL ABOVE QUICK CAPTURES WERE TAKEN FROM AMAZON.COM

Equally telling are the books that someone reads:

Capture Priscilla Shirer's list of books she has readSOURCE

As you can see from the list of books that Priscilla reads, some of them are: The Practice of the Presence of God,’ by Brother Lawrence, Prayer: Finding the Heart’s True Home,’ by Richard Foster, and When the Soul Listens by Jan Johnson.  All three of these writers heavily promote Contemplative Prayer.’  

Here’s a screen shot from Lighthouse Trails Website of Jan Johnson‘s book, ‘When the Soul Listens,’ in which you can clearly see that Jan Johnson indeed teaches ‘Contemplative Prayer.’

Capture Priscilla Shirer reads Jan Johnson's books - quick capture on LHTR of When the Soul ListensSOURCE

**ADDED 3-13-14** And in case you are not aware of what the CLOUD OF UNKNOWING is that is mentioned in Jan Johnson’s book as you can see in the ‘quick capture’ above, below you will see another ‘quick capture’ from a post on Lighthouse Trails in which you can clearly see that it is connected with the mystical and unbiblical practice of Contemplative Prayer.’

Capture The Cloud of Unknowing -Lighthouse Trails ResearchTo continue reading on LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS, click HERE

Sadly, the emphasis today seems to be growing more and more on having ‘experiences with God’ rather than wanting to take the time to study God’s Word in context and teaching it that way, as well.

**UPDATED 3-13-14 1:22 P.M.  Because there is obviously a shift taking place from learning about God through His Word to seeking to ‘hear God speak,’ it is very obvious now why so many are easily being led into accepting unbiblical and mystical practices such as ‘Contemplative/Centering Prayer.’  But there is no excuse for any Christian to fall for these spiritually deceptive practices if we stay in God’s Word and test everything in light of Scripture and become informed about these unbiblical practices. There are many good websites with great information on these topics. Personally, I highly recommend the writings of: PASTOR GARY GILLEY,   LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS,  HERESCOPE, and APPRISING MINISTRIES, because they are Biblical and write in depth about all of these unbiblical practices, as well as expose those who promote them. But as always, please make sure that you test everything against Scripture! (Acts 17:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22)

I am sure that Priscilla is probably a lovely person, but what she sometimes presents in her teachings can be very misleading, and has the potential of leading many Christians away from Biblical truth and into unbiblical ‘new age’ mysticism!  To hear a teacher present to you that ‘you can hear God personally speak to you’ is to imply that God’s Word is no longer sufficient, and will lead many away from Biblical truth and into ‘spiritual deception.‘  (Such as Sarah Young is doing through her Jesus Calling devotional).

Harvest Bible Chapel and other Christian leaders must not only make sure that they teach solid Biblical truth, but also they must make sure that the teachers they invite do as well, and that the Bible Studies they present to their people focus on God’s Word and that they believe in the sufficiency of Scripture and teach that God’s Word is all we need to come to know God in a very deep and personal way, and that none of them promote unbiblical mystical practices.  [Which reminds me to warn all of you at HBCRM that James MacDonald will be speaking at a Pastor’s Conference in June entitled SHOW US YOUR GLORY, along with Francis Chan and Rick Warren!  About this conference we are told that many…

“…have been working, praying and planning to create a meeting where the presence of God is experienced in a life changing powerful way.”  (Emphasis is mine). 

And since Rick Warren promotes Contemplative Prayer,’ is it possible that some of their plans may include unbiblical mystical practices since they desire to  ‘experience the presence of God?’  Lord willing, I may write on that after it takes place –if I am somehow able to view that conference. As I mentioned in a couple of my other posts, ‘we are seeing James becoming more and more involved with Rick Warren,’ and that gives many of us good reasons to become seriously concerned and equally motivated to pray even more for James!

Please continue to pray for James and all those in leadership, not only at Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows, but also for all Christian pastors and teachers.  Pray discernment for them and  that they would seek God in His Word and not be led astray by those who promote unbiblical ways to “hear from God.”

Pray discernment for all Christians so that they will hunger for God’s Word, and pray that the Holy Spirit will ‘guide them into all truth,’  (John 16:13) so they will not be led into spiritual deception.  God’s Word warns us in 2 Timothy 4:3 and 1 Timothy 4:1:

“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” 

“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”

That time is clearly upon us!  Please do not be deceived!  Please…

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” ( 2 Timothy 2:15)

Thank you for stopping by and taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

 

RELATED SCRIPTURES

“In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom also He made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful Word.” (Hebrews 1:1-3a)

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there be a falling away first…”  (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

“Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” (Acts 17:11)

“Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear want to hear.  They will turn their ears from the truth and turn aside to myths.”  (2 Timothy 4:2-4)

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.” (2 Timothy 3:16)

“As for you, see what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.  And this is what He promised us –eternal life. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.  As for you the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.  But as His anointing teaches you about all things, and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in Him.”  (1 John 2:24-26)

FURTHER READING

PASTOR GARY GILLEY — DISCERNMENT AND REVELATION (INFORMATION ALSO ON BETH MOORE)

PASTOR GARY GILLEY — SACRED READING (LECTIO DIVINA)

RECOMMENDED BOOK

Capture Gary Gilley IS THAT YOU, LORD

COMING SOON:

BEFORE RESURRECTION SUNDAY/EASTER 2014  –LORD WILLING:

MY TESTIMONY: FROM FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY, TO PEACE AND ASSURANCE — HOW GOD REVEALED THE TRUTH TO ME AS I WAS READING A CATHOLIC NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE – PART 2′

**UPDATED 3-13-14 9:17 P.M** ADDED RELATED SCRIPTURES AND ‘IS THAT YOU, LORD?’ VIDEO

**UPDATED 3-13-14 1:22 P.M.** ADDED LINKS TO WEBSITES THAT EXPOSE ‘CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER’ AND OTHER FORMS OF UNBIBLICAL MYSTICAL PRACTICES THAT ARE MAKING THEIR WAY INTO THE CHURCH, AND A FEW MORE COMMENTS.

**UPDATED 3-13-14 12:51 P.M.** ADDED INFORMATION FROM LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS ON THE ‘CLOUD OF UNKNOWING’ WHICH IS IN ONE OF THE BOOKS THAT PRISCILLA SHIRER READS.

**UPDATED 3-13-14 9:08 A.M.** ADDED INFORMATION ABOUT PRISCILLA SHIRER CONCERNING HILLSONG CONFERENCE AND JOYCE MEYER

 

As you can hear in the video posted above, (1/6/14 I’m sorry…just noticed this video is now made ‘private,’ and unfortunately there is no other copies of this video to post) Pastor James MacDonald, senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows, thinks very highly of Beth Moore, and calls her studies “pretty phenomenal.”   And because I have recently learned that Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows (my previous church for almost 15 years) is presently featuring a Beth Moore book as their focus for one of their ‘small groups,’ (and they have also chosen many of her books in the past –and probably presently — as the topic for some of their Bible Studies, as well) I found it now necessary to be one among many others who are expressing their concerns about Beth Moore to warn those of you who are avid followers of hers, the importance of testing what she says against Scripture. 

As many solid Bible teachers say, “The first key to proper Biblical interpretation is context, context, context!”  We must not take a person’s word for what a certain passage means, but rather go to Scripture and read the surrounding verses as well, in order to get a clear and proper understanding of what that text is actually saying.

Beth Moore is definitely a gifted speaker, but those of us who are Christians are commanded to ‘test all things,’ and to ‘hold fast to what is true.’  (1Thessalonians 5:21,22)

We are also shown in Scripture to ‘test what is said by those who claim to speak for God against Scripture to see if what is being said is true’:

“Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” (Acts 17:11)

So with that in mind, I plead with those of you who have been caught up into Beth Moore’s teachings and captivated by her charming personality and who consider yourselves to be one of her faithful followers, to pray for discernment and please listen to Chris Rosebrough of ‘Fighting For The Faith’ and ‘Pirate Christian Radio,’ as he gives his Biblical analysis of one of her messages in the video posted at the link below.  Please be sure to open up your Bible and follow along to see if what is being said is really true:

Chris Rosebrough BETH MOORE’S DANGEROUS BIBLE TWISTING

 

SCRIPTURES FOR YOU TO FOCUS ON

“I appeal to you , brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.  My brothers, some from Cloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.  What I mean is this:  One of you says,  “I follow Paul”; another,I follow Apollos”;  another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”  Is Christ divided?  Was Paul crucified for you?”                                         (1 Corinthians 1:10-13)

“Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly–mere infants in Christ.  I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it.  Indeed, you are still not ready.  You are still worldly.  For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly?  Are you not acting like mere men?  For when one says,  “I follow Paul,”  and another,  “I follow Apollos,”  are you not mere men?  “What, after all, is Apollos?  And what is Paul?  Only servants through whom you came to believe–as the Lord has assigned to each his task.  I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow.  So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.  The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor.  For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.  By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it.  But each one should be careful how he builds.  For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.” (1 Corinthians 3:1-11)

“We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.  For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying,  “This is My Son, whom I love; with Him I am well pleased.”  We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with Him on the sacred mountain.  And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.  Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.  For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”  (2 Peter 1:16-21)

“In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.  The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful Word.  After He had  provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.  SO He became as much superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is superior to theirs.  For to which of the angels did God ever say,  “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father.”  (Hebrews 1:1-5)  (Since this is such a powerful passage of Scripture that speaks so much Biblical truth –and one of my favorites, as well–I decided to post more than just the portion of this passage that applies to Beth Moore, which I will elaborate upon at a later time –Lord willing — if time allows).

“May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.”           (Galatians 6:14)

“In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge:  Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke, and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” (2 Timothy 4:1-4)

“But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.  For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or of you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.” (2 Corinthians 11:3,4)

“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light,  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness.  Their end will be what their actions deserve.”        (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

“Watch out for false prophets.  They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.  By their fruit you will recognize them.  Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?  Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.  A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.  Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.  “Not everyone who says to Me,  ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.  Many will say to Me on that day,  ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’  Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you.  Away from Me you evildoers!'” (Matthew 7:15-23)

“But there were also false prophets  among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.  They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them–bringing swift destruction on themselves.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.  Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.”            (2 Peter 2:1,2)

“Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of all men.  For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God.  Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.  Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.  I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.  Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard!  Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.”  (Acts 20:26-31)

JUDGING

For those of you who may accuse me of judging Beth Moore, I want you to know that even though we as Christians are not to judge a person’s heart or their intentions, we are supposed to judge/test what she says — as well as what others say, who claim to preach and teach God’s Word — in light of Scripture, and we are also to expose those who teach false doctrines.  Again, I will cite these verses: Acts 17:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22

  “Stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment.”               (John 7:24)

“I have written to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people–not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters.  In that case you would have to leave this world.  But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler.  With such a man do not even eat.  What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?  Are you not to judge those inside?  God will judge those outside.  “Expel the wicked man from among you.” (1 Corinthians 5:9-12)

Lord willing, I will post more information on Beth Moore concerning her promotion of ‘mysticism’ some time in the future, but now I am trying to finish the poem I am presently writing, entitled: ‘RISE UP!’

**UPDATED** 6/16/13 I’M SORRY I’M LATE IN ADDING THIS, BUT, AS PROMISED, HERE’S SOME INFORMATION CONCERNING BETH MOORE AND HER INVOLVEMENT WITH — AND PROMOTION OF —  ‘MYSTICISM.’  LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – >>BE STILL DVD<<

Thank you very much for stopping by and  taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

**ADDED 3-1-14** 8:21a.m.** PLEASE CONSIDER LISTENING TO CHRIS ROSEBROUGH’S BIBLICAL ANALYSIS OF BETH MOORE’S OUTPOURING PROPHECY AT THE LINK BELOW! AND PLEASE READ YOUR BIBLES AND TEST EVERY PASTOR AND TEACHER’S WORDS (AND ACTIONS) IN LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE (ACTS 17:11)  (1 THESSALONIANS 5:21,22) SO THAT YOU WILL NEVER BE LED INTO DECEPTION!

>BETH MOORE’S FUTURE OUTPOURING PROPHECY – @ 50 MIN. MARK – 1:10 MIN. MARK<

ADDED 3/20/14 OR…YOU CAN NOW LISTEN TO THAT ENTIRE SEGMENT IN THE VIDEO BELOW:

FURTHER READING:

WHOM DO YOU FOLLOW

WARNING YOU WITH TEARS

**UPDATED 3-20-14 **  ADDED VIDEO – PIRATE CHRISTIAN – BETH MOORE’S FUTURE OUTPOURING “PROPHECY”

1-1-14 ADDED REVIEW BY CHRIS ROSEBROUGH OF BETH MOORE’S FUTURE OUTPOURING PROPHECY’

 Well, I was planning on getting to sleep early tonight. However, I find the need to watch the ‘Passion 2013 Conference’ to see what is being spiritually fed to the 60,000 students that are in attendance this year. And if it’s anything like last year, sadly that means there will be a strong dose of mysticism thrown into the messages. If you’d like, you can watch the coverage that is only available until tonight, Saturday, January 5th– midnight, at the link below:

PASSION 2013 CONFERENCE>> ALL SESSIONS ( **UPDATE 1/6/13**SESSIONS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE.  SEE VIDEOS FROM CONFERENCE THAT I ADDED BELOW)

This conference is being held at the Georgia Dome until January 4th. Speakers include Louie Giglio, John Piper, Beth Moore, Francis Chan, Judah Smith, and Gary Haugen. (Hmmm…a new person to check out; haven’t heard of him before).  (**UPDATE** Found out he is the President and CEO of International Justice Mission, helping to end human trafficking). Worship led by: Chris Tomlin, Matt Redman, Christy Nockels, Kristian Stanfill, Charlie Hall, David Crowder, LeCrae, and Jesus Culture. Lord willing, when time allows, I will be expressing the reasons that we as Christians should be concerned about this.  But here’s a statement that should be a cause for concern: “Passion is about the Jesus Generation uniting for His fame.”

You can read general information on the conference here>PASSION 2013 CONFERENCE TO KICK OFF IN ATLANTA WITH 60,000 STUDENTS

THIS VIDEO WILL EXPRESS MANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE SPEAKERS FROM LAST YEAR, WHO ARE ALSO SPEAKING THIS YEAR

THESE VIDEOS WILL EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT ‘JESUS CULTURE’

VIDEOS FROM PASSION 2012 (UPDATE 11/12/13 JUST FOUND OUT THE FOLLOWING THREE VIDEOS ARE NOW MARKED ‘PRIVATE,’ SO I POSTED A NEW ONE UNDER THOSE THREE, PLUS ONE THAT WILL EXPLAIN THE DANGERS OF LECTIO DIVINA TO YOU

I highly recommend this information on ‘Lectio Divina’ by Pastor Gary Gilley of Southern View Chapel to you so that you will clearly understand the dangers of this spiritual practice. >> SACRED READING (LECTIO DIVINA)

Isn’t it just like ‘the enemy of our souls’ to try and take the Word of God and use it in an attempt to lead us into the occult.  Please read God’s Word and treasure His Word!  (I need to get some sleep now, so will continue this tomorrow…Lord willing)!  God bless you!

**UPDATE** SATURDAY 1/5/13 LINK NO LONGER ACTIVE.  SEE VIDEOS OF CONFERENCE BELOW** **UPDATE** THURSDAY, 9:00a.m.**  Here’s the link to today’s feed, which will only be available until Friday night –midnight.  Beth Moore is the opening speaker, with Judah Smith and Francis Chan speaking later.  Again, please pray for discernment and test everything in light of Scripture (Acts 17:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22) –even the words of the songs!    SESSION TWO 

**UPDATE**11:30a.m. JUST FOUND THIS VIDEO AND HAVEN’T EVEN LISTENED TO IT YET: CHRIS ROSEBROUGH EXPRESSING CONCERNS WITH PASSION 2013 **UPDATE**1/5/12 Lord willing, when time allows, I will be adding some comments concerning this video, as well as adding more related information. (**UPDATE** THE MISTY EDWARDS VIDEOS NOW POSTED BELOW, IS THE ‘RELATED INFORMATION’ THAT I WAS REFERRING TO).

CONCERNS WITH PASSION 2013

Here’s some reasons why you should be concerned about the ‘PASSION CONFERENCES’.  Let’s start with Judah Smith.  For one, he promotes the ‘Alpha Course,’ and will be an influence on all our young people in attendance at ‘Passion 2013’

 Judah Smith has also been a part of Nicky Gumbel’s (Nicky Gumbel is the present leader of the ‘ALPHA COURSE’) HTB (Holy Trinity Brompton) LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE, along with Christine Caine, and Rick Warren and Tony Blair. (2012 Conference)

And for those of you who are aware of who Steven Furtick is, he will be one of the key speakers at the HTB CONFERENCE this year along with Bill Hybels, as you will see in the following video.  (I’ll also add this video, as well as some comments to my ‘WARNING YOU WITH TEARS’ post, when time allows).

If you’re not aware of the ‘Alpha Course’ and what it teaches, please consider reading the following:

ERIN BENZIGER OF ‘DO NOT BE SURPRISED’ THE ALPHA COURSE COMPROMISE  

DECEPTION IN THE CHURCHTHE DANGERS OF THE ALPHA COURSE

*Harvesters (those who attend Harvest Bible Chapel)– and all other Christians, as well — do you now see serious reasons to be concerned about *Steven Furtick, and these speakers, and what is taking place in the name of Christianity today??  Please read and study your Bible, and research these things, as well, so you will not be led into deception! 

As much as I would love to just sit here and express all my concerns to you about this conference — and more — the thought of the ‘rapture’ taking place on a day when my home is in total chaos (as it is today because of all the time that I have spent on writing lately, as well as because of not being home due to Christmas and New Year’s gatherings) fills me with determination to get my place in order!  I would hate to have anyone find my home in this condition after I have been  ‘caught up’ to meet the Lord in the air!    (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Luke 21:28)  So, unless God does a miracle and provides a writing job for me, I need to get my home back in order today, and get to bed early so I can function at work during the days ahead. Lord willing, when time allows, I will be making comments  on one of the videos I posted so that I can make you aware of some valid concerns.  In the days ahead I will also be adding links to others in ministry who actually have the time to discuss the ‘Passion Conference’ so you clearly understand why many are deeply concerned.  I pray you will have ears to hear, and also pray that God will bless you with discernment and one day use you to warn others, as well.

LINKS TO OTHER WEBSITES EXPRESSING VALID CONCERNS

http://www.donotbesurprised.com/

http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/

http://apprising.org/

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/

Thank you very much for stopping by and taking time to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

Now, back to watching the live feed of the Conference, and cleaning as I do!

**UPDATE 1:22p.m.**  I’m back!  Had to just express one thing to you that I am observing as I am watching the live coverage, and that is the overemphasis on social justice issues and human trafficking. As horrible as this is to know that so many precious young children are being sold into slavery and abused, it seems to me that this Conference (as well as many other ministries today) are focused on ‘deeds not creeds,’ just like Rick Warren focuses on.  That is to say, that the focus is no longer on Jesus Christ and the gospel — what has already been done through Christ’s atoning work on the cross and by His resurrection — but rather on what we can do to make this world a better place.  Let’s face it.  This world will never be perfect until Christ returns and rules and reigns on this earth. What will begin to change this world is the preaching of the gospel so that people are aware of their sin and their need for a Savior.  Change comes when God changes the sinful heart of man.  True slavery is the slavery to sin, and true freedom comes through Christ Jesus, alone!

“Jesus replied,  “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.  Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.  So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” (John 8:34-36)

Sadly, so far I see that this conference is mainly focused on promoting and raising money for ‘The End It’ movement to end human trafficking, and not focused on Jesus.  Louie Giglio, at approximately 27:00 into the session, said to this young crowd,  “…together we can do great things.”  “…together we are a force for good.”  “…collectively we’ve become a mighty force for justice.” 

Earlier, it was mentioned that everyone received free sandwiches from ‘ Jason Deli,’ and that it was the first time they had eaten since arriving there.  How many hours had it been since they had eaten?  Are they being programmed as the young people who attend IHOP are (International House Of Prayer – another concern I have), by attending long sessions with hyped up music, and easily influenced because of their lack of sleep and food? Will look further into that possibility.

HERE’S SOME INFORMATION ON THE IMPORTANCE OF FOCUSING ON ‘CREEDS AND NOT DEEDS’

MODERN REFORMATIONCREEDS AND DEEDSHOW DOCTRINE LEADS TO DOXOLOGICAL LIVINGMICHAEL S. HORTON

Ugh!  Want to say so much more, but really need to go now!

**UPDATE**1/3/13/5:11p.m. Watching this conference again as I am eating dinner, and listening to the former lead singer of Delirious sing one of his songs with lyrics that are void of praise to God and are only focused on self:  “I feel alive, I come alive, I am alive on God’s great dance floor.”  (Note to self: I really need to turn the sound down and just watch the lyrics, so these songs don’t get stuck in my head)! 

Again it has been mentioned that “…nobody’s eaten.”  (Session 4 starting near the 37:00 min. mark).

Final limited coverage available only till Saturday night, 1/5/13midnight).

**UPDATE** 1/4/13** Just found this new video by Chris Rosebrough

**ADDED 1/7/13 9:30 p.m.** Chris Rosebrough just uploaded this video                

**UPDATE** 1/5/13 In the following video you will hear the very important information on ‘community’ that Chris Rosebrough was speaking about in the previous video.  When time allows, please listen and become aware of what is taking place in many churches today concerning the strong emphasis on joining a ‘small group’ or ‘community,’ and where this all began and where it’s headed.  You may have to listen to this a few times to grasp what’s really happening and the dangers that are involved!  The bottom line is: “The individual does not exist; it’s all about the ‘community.’  Can you now begin to sense the danger? 

You will also hear information on ‘vision casting,’ which many of us are hearing in our churches today.  You will also hear Steven Furtick @ 1:16:00 – 1:17:35, Perry Noble @ 1:19:15 – 1:20:16, and information on Rick Warren and his ‘Peace Plan,’ as well.

**UPDATE 1/5/13 6:25 p.m.**  Just found these videos from ‘Passion 2013’ on YouTube.  Please pray for discernment before you listen, and test everything in light of Scripture, now that you are aware of some of the problems –if you listened to the previous videos.  If more become available I will add them when time allows.  (Hopefully the people who posted these had the rights to post them, so they won’t be taken down).  **UPDATE 1/14/13 ALL VIDEOS ARE BACK UP!!  **UPDATE 1/8/13 MANY ARE NOW MARKED ‘PRIVATE**

VIDEOS FROM PASSION 2013 CONFERENCE

Again, please pray for discernment, and do not allow your emotions to overpower your ability to discern.

GARY HAUGEN- PRESIDENT AND CEO OF JUSTICE MISSION (NOW MARKED ‘PRIVATE’ BY OWNER).  **UPDATE** 1/14/13 BACK UP!  WATCH WHILE STILL AVAILABLE!

SESSION 5 JUDAH SMITH (ADDED 1/8/13) **BE WARNED!! HE TAKES GOD’S NAME IN VAIN!!**

SESSION 6 LOUIE GIGLIO (ADDED 1/15/13)

SESSION 7 JOHN PIPER (ADDED 1/8/13)

FRANCIS CHAN (ADDED 1/8/13)

MORE CONCERNS

Credit goes to EBenz of DO NOT BE SURPRISED for the following video:

As I watched the video above,  it reminded me of an equally disturbing video of Misty Edwards of IHOP (International House Of Prayer) that I found on YouTube four years ago.  I posted the videos below for you to watch and to test in light of Scripture, and to also  make you realize that many in ministry today are leading our youth into unbiblical and mystical practices that cause them to seek an ‘experience’ with God instead of seeking Him in His Word. 

In Part 1 you will hear her share a dream she has (@ 5:06) about God coming to her in a dream in the form of a man and running like a lion…’  Then she speaks about “a Buddhist monk of sorts, and there’s this aura of peace…”  But before she does, she says the following disturbing things,  starting @ 1:20…

“I believe the new thing He’s doing is He’s about to split the sky, come back to the planet as a man…I mean I really believe this-this sounds outrageous, doesn’t it?   I believe that Jesus is gonna come back to the planet as a Jewish man… (can’t understand next few words) …”brown eyes, brown hair, not that tall- Jewish man, who was born to be a king, is coming back to the planet, and He is gonna come back to the planet in response to the bride who’s gonna be singing… unified, globally.   This is intense where this thing is going.  I’m looking at your faces, and I’m going, “God, these-this is  who you’ve chosen, this is a- at least a stream of people that You’ve chosen for such a time as this, to raise up a new sound, a new song in the earth, for such a time as this to-to usher in the second coming.  I mean, do you have any idea who you are?”

MISTY EDWARDS ON PROPHETIC WORSHIP AT BREAKOUT SESSION ONE THING 2007

What Misty Edwards — and those like her– presents to young people today, is a seductive message to lure them into the ‘New Apostolic Reformation/Kingdom Now’ theology, which says that we as Christians are to take control of this world by taking positions in the government and businesses to take dominion over this world to usher in the return of Jesus Christ.  Can you see how a message like this can capture the attention of young people who are searching for a purpose for their lives? In part, Pastor Gary Gilley of Southern View Chapel, says this about Dominion Theology:

Dominion theology (the belief-system behind reconstructionist movement) teaches that through the coming of Christ the believer has dominion over every area of life.  We are now in the Kingdom of God (note the similar view of the Kingdom that the Vineyard movement takes, as well as the plethora of Christian songs being written implying that we are in the Kingdom at the present time) and as a result we should be reigning with Christ over the earth as Rev. 5:10 says.  The question is when will we reign.  If the Kingdom is on earth now, then we should have dominion now!  Right?  Don’t many of us proclaim this thought when we sing the popular Charismatic song “Majesty” which invites us to,  “Come glorify Christ Jesus, the King,”  after all, “Kingdom authority flows from His throne unto His own.”  With this authority from the King we are to reclaim the earth for Christ, not just spiritually, but socially, economically (it is no accident that one of the reconstructionist’s organizations is called, The Institute For Christian Economics) and politically.  The dominion of the earth is accomplished not only through prayer and evangelism, but through the political process, and social reformation.  Christ will not return to earth until the church has accomplished this task.”  SOURCE

For more information on this movement, click here>> DOMINION THEOLOGYPASTOR GARY GILLEY and here>> A TALE OF TWO KINGDOMS – SANDY SIMPSON

**1/5/13 5:20p.m.** Just found this program on Worldview Weekend, with Brannon Howse and Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith, discussing the ‘Passion 2013 Conference.’

BRANNON HOWSE: PART 1 AIRED JANUARY 3, 2013 (AVAILABLE FREE FOR ONLY 2 WEEKS)

PART 2 AIRED JANUARY 4th PASSION 2013 EXAMINED(AVAILABLE FREE FOR ONLY TWO WEEKS)

**VIDEO ADDED 1/19/13**

SCRIPTURES FOR YOU TO REFLECT ON

“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.” (1 Timothy 4:1)

“This is what the LORD Almighty says:  “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes.  They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.  They keep saying to those who despise me,  ‘The LORD says:  You will have peace.’  And to all those who follow the stubbornness of their hearts they say,  ‘No harm will come to you.’  But which of them has stood in the council of the LORD to see or hear His Word?  Who has listened and heard His Word?  See, the storm of the LORD will burst out in wrath, a whirlwind swirling down on the heads of the wicked.  The anger of the LORD will not turn back until He fully accomplishes the purposes of His heart.  In days to come you will understand it clearly.  I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied.  But if they had stood in My council, they would have proclaimed My Words to My people and would have turned them from their evil ways and from their evil deeds.  “Am I only a God nearby,”  declares the LORD  “and not a God far away?  Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?”  declares the LORD.  “Do I not fill heaven and earth?”  declares the LORD.  I have heard what the prophets say who prophesy lies in My name.  They say, ‘I had a dream!  I had a dream!’  How long will this continue in the hearts of these lying prophets, who prophesy the delusions of their own minds?  They think the dreams they tell one another will make My people forget My name, just as their fathers forgot My name through Baal worship.  Let the prophet who has a dream tell his dream, but let the one who has My Word speak it faithfully.  For what has straw to do with grain?”  declares the LORD.  “Is not My Word like fire,”  declares the LORD,  and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?  “Therefore,”  declares the LORD, “I am against the prophets who steal from one another words supposedly from Me.  Yes,”  declares the LORD,  “I am against the prophets who wag their own tongues and yet declare,  ‘The LORD declares.’  Indeed, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,”  declares the LORD.  “They tell them and lead My people astray with their reckless lies,yet I did not send or appoint them.  They do not benefit these people in the least,”  declares the LORD.” (Jeremiah 23:16-30)

**UPDATED 11/12/13 11:05 P.M.**ADDED FULL VERSION OF THE READING OF EPHESIANS BY LECRAE, BETH MOORE, FRANCIS CHAN, LOUIE GIGLIO, AND JOHN PIPER BECAUSE ORIGINAL ONES ARE NOW MARKED ‘PRIVATE.’  ALSO ADDED VIDEO EXPLAINING THE DANGERS OF THE MYSTICAL PRACTICE, ‘LECTIO DIVINA.’

**UPDATED SATURDAY 1/19/13** ADDED NEW CHRIS ROSEBROUGH VIDEO ‘LAST LOOK AT THE BIBLE TWISTING AT PASSION 2013’

**UPDATED TUESDAY 1/15/13 9:10 a.m.** ADDED ‘KRISTIAN STANFILL, LOUIE GIGLIO, AND OTHERS –  SESSION 6’

**UPDATED MONDAY 1/14/13 9:14p.m.**  HMM…VERY STRANGE…JUST NOTICED THE VIDEOS I POSTED THAT WERE TAKEN DOWN, ARE NOW BACK UP!  SO NOW YOU CAN WATCH THEM, IF YOU’D LIKE.  BUT PLEASE TEST ALL YOU WILL SEE AND HEAR AGAINST GOD’S WORD TO SEE IF WHAT IS SAID (AND DONE) IS TRUE. (ACTS 17:11)

**UPDATED TUESDAY 1/8/136:58 a.m.**  WOKE UP TO SADLY FIND THAT MANY, BUT NOT ALL, OF THE VIDEOS ON THE COVERAGE OF THE PASSION CONFERENCE’ THAT I ADDED BELOW, HAVE NOW BEEN MARKED ‘PRIVATE,’ AND THEREFORE CAN NO LONGER BE SEEN BY MOST OF US.  FOUND OTHER ‘GARY HAUGEN – SLAVERY’ VIDEOS’ AND POSTED BELOW UNDER THE ONE ORIGINALLY POSTED.

**UPDATED MONDAY 1/7/13 9:29 p.m.**  ADDED VIDEO ‘LOUIE GIGLIO TWISTS EZEKIEL 37’

**UPDATED SUNDAY 1/6/13 10:00p.m. ** ADDED SCRIPTURES

**UPDATED SUNDAY 1/6/13 4:27 P.M.** ADDED VIDEOS – MISTY EDWARDS OF IHOP

**UPDATED SUNDAY 8:50 a.m.** ADDED VIDEO BELOW ‘JESUS CULTURE – A CALL FOR DISCERNMENT – ARE YOU SURE IT’S YOUR JESUS?

**UPDATED SUNDAY 1/6/13 6:24 a.m.** ADDED LOUIE GIGLIO SESSION TO VIDEOS FROM PASSION 2013 **

**UPDATED 1:13P.M.  1/13/13**  ADDED LINKS TO ‘BIBLICAL ANALYSIS BY ‘CHRIS ROSEBROUGH- FIGHTING FOR THE FAITH’ OF JAMES MACDONALD’S ‘VERTICAL CHURCH MESSAGE’ BELOW

**UPDATED 8:45  p.m. 10/10/12** RESURGENCE CONFERENCE PROMOTIONAL VIDEOS BELOW

CLICK HERE TO WATCH HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL ELGIN’S ‘EPHESIAN SERVICE>>Ephesians Multiple Speakers, | July 28- 29, 2012 From the Elgin Campus THEN WATCH THE FOLLOWING VIDEO

God’s Word is extremely important for a person to read so that one might not only come to the understanding of the fact that we are all wretched and depraved sinners and can never earn our way into heaven by our own righteous deeds (Romans 10:3, Galatians 2:21, Ephesians Philippians 3:9) which are like filthy rags to God (Isaiah 64:6), but also so that we might come to discover the love and mercy of God presented to us in the gospel. (John 3:16,17, Romans 5:8, 1 John 4:9,10 Titus 3:4-7) For those of us who will admit that we are nothing but wretched sinners fully deserving of the wrath of God, and will repent (turn from our sin) and receive the complete atoning work that Jesus Christ accomplished for us — when He bore our sins and took God’s full wrath intended for us upon Himself when He died in our place on the cross — we can be fully forgiven for all our sins –no matter what we have done.

God has also given us His Word to protect us from being spiritually deceived. We are told to ‘examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said is true,’ (Acts 17:11) and to ‘test all things and hold on to the good, and to avoid every kind of evil.’ (1 Thessalonians 5:21,22) Addressing the disciples questions, about ‘the sign of His coming and the end of the age,’ the first thing Jesus said was, “Watch out that no one deceives you.” (Matthew 24:4) There are numerous unbiblical, mystical practices being promoted in many churches today, and some Christians are being led into spiritual deception without even realizing it. Contemplative Prayer, Lectio Divina, soaking prayer, Ignatian Practices, and walking ‘prayer’ labyrinths, are just a few of some of the many occultic practices being introduced into the church and are being accepted without question by many unsuspecting Christians as ‘new ways to connect with God.’ (Search APPRISING MINISTRIES, CHRISTIAN RESEARCH NETWORK,   DO NOT BE SURPRISED, LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH, and you can also read the information I linked to on my WARNING YOU WITH TEARS poem, and especially all the information and videos I added on AN ANCHOR FOR MY SOUL.’

Is it possible that Satan could use the reading of God’s Word — such as in Lectio Divina — as a way to lead many Christians into spiritual deception? Scripture clearly shows us in Matthew 4 and Luke 4 in the account of Jesus being tempted by the devil in the desert, that the devil knows God’s Word very well:

“The devil led Him to Jerusalem and had Him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down from here. For it is written: ‘ “He will command His angels concerning You to guard You carefully; they will lift You up in their hands, so that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’ “

God’s Word warns us in 1 Peter 5:8 to…

“Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.”

So since Christians are warned that ‘our enemy’ is seeking to devour us,’ what better way could he choose than to use a way that seems so innocent as the reading of God’s Word as a means to lead us astray and into spiritual deception and the occult. In Lectio Divina, God’s Word is read, and then a time of silence follows, and people are told to ‘be still, and let God — or God’s Word — speak to you.’  That’s where the danger lies; sitting in silence and waiting for God to speak, when in fact He has already spoken all that we need to hear and to know, and it is recorded in His Word, the Bible. God’s Word tells us in Hebrews Chapter 1:1,2:

“In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things and through whom He made the universe.”

Everything we need to know from God has been recorded for us in His Word, and spoken through His one and only Son, Jesus Christ. There are no new revelations from God; the canon of Scripture is now closed. Leaving our mind still allows us to hear from our own imaginations, or even from demonic spirits just waiting to speak something to us to lead us astray.

This past weekend, July 28th and 29th, Harvest Bible Chapel Elgin, had, what they referred to as, an ‘Ephesian Service.’ (Watch video at first link above). This service was viewed by the Aurora, Chicago North, Crystal Lake, Niles, North Shore, and Rolling Meadows campuses, as well. There were six speakers, each taking turns reading one chapter. Then they ended the service with a ‘Time Of Meditation.’ Although I was not there because of the fact that after attending Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows for almost 15 years, I left right after the Elephant Room 2 Conference (please consider reading my post WARNING YOU WITH TEARS for details that I continue to update when time allows) I can tell you that this ‘Ephesian Service’ is not the first time that Scripture was read out loud (though not a complete book of the Bible, as in the ‘Ephesian Service’) and then a time of silence followed. Although this could have been just an innocent time of reflection on God’s Word,it greatly concerns me because of the fact that James MacDonald has said that ‘Beth Moore’s Bible studies are “pretty phenominal…” (as you will hear him say in the following video)

…and her Bible studies have been a part of Harvest for many years. Therefore it should not come as a surprise if this misuse of God’s Word that Beth Moore is involved in, known as ‘Lectio Divina,’ could possibly be starting to take place at Harvest. (Compare the very first video above where Beth Moore is reading the Scriptures, to Harvest Elgin’s Ephesians service at the very first link above, and notice the similarities. Then please read this information on Lectio Divina, written by Pastor Gary Gilley at Southern View Chapel: SACRED READING LECTIO DIVINA as well as the information here on Beth Moore written by Erin Benziger from ‘Do Not Be Surprised.’ 

Because of the high view that James MacDonald has of Beth Moore, and also because Richard Foster’s book, ‘Celebration Of Discipline’ and Gary Thomas’ book ‘Sacred Marriage,’ are both on Harvest’s ‘recommended reading list,’ and both books promote ‘Contemplative Prayer,’ could it be possible that James MacDonald now sees ‘Lectio Divina’ and ‘Contemplative Prayer’ as something Biblical and is beginning to incorporate these practices into the services, therefore unknowingly leading those who attend into these mystical practices not realizing they are unbiblical?  Or does he see these practices as some other Christians do; revived monastic practices done by mystics in the past, and viewed now as ‘new ways to connect with God,’ and knowingly leading those who attend into mysticism, not realizing these practices are occultic in nature?

Further concerns come also due to the fact that in the ‘5G prayer guide’ (that I received on the night of October 5, 2011 when I attended the Vision Night at the Rolling Meadows campus, as did all who attended a ‘5G Vision meeting’) there are many ‘prayer exercises’ presented in this booklet for attendees of Harvest to do in order to ‘prepare their heart for what God desires to do in them personally and as a church,’ as stated on Page 3 in the booklet. Here is one example of a ‘prayer exercise’ that is found on page 37:

1. Prayer Exercise: Pray God’s Word. Praying God’s Word affirms God’s truth, aligns our prayers with His will, and expands our prayer language. Praying Scripture is not as difficult as you may think. Here are several ways to pray scripture. You can repeat one of the prayers in the Bible word-for-word. The Lord’s Prayer is an obvious example. But you can also pray a psalm, one of the prayers of Paul, and even passages from Revelation.”  (Emphasis is mine).

Doesn’t God’s Word warn us about ‘vain repititions?’

“But when ye pray, use not vain repititions, as the heathen do: for they think they shall be heard for their much speaking.” (Matthew 6:7)

The Lord’s Prayer — or any part of Scripture for that matter — was not given to us as something to repeat as a prayer, but as how we should approach God and then make our requests known to Him. That is how James MacDonald once explained the Lord’s Prayer to us.

One can only wonder what is happening at Harvest these days especially since Elephant Room 2, when T D Jakes was declared as having embraced the Biblical understanding of the Trinity even though he used Modalistic language when he explained how he now understands the Trinity, and T D Jakes was not confronted concerning the ‘prosperity gospel’ that he continues to preach.

**ADDED 8/20/12** Due to the concerns that many have because of the Elephant Room 2 conference, please consider watching this new video>> NO CO EVER: EPISODE 1   from ‘NO COMPROMISE RADIO,’ as Mike Abendroth leads James White, Carl Trueman, and Phil Johnson in an excellent discussion about what happened — and what should have happened — during Elephant Room 2 concerning T D Jakes, and the importance of sound doctrine.

I am increasingly growing concerned for all who attend Harvest, which is the main purpose for this post; this was meant to be  a strong warning written to alert those who attend Harvest.  Please pray for James MacDonald, all those in leadership, and especially for all the people who attend Harvest; pray discernment, wisdom, a desire to search the Scriptures for truth, and that they would be made aware of the danger of these unbiblical practices by searching the above mentioned sites, or you can click on the many ministries in the side bar that I personally search to find information on a person in question or to help me better understand the many practices in question.

In spite of the many warnings those who attend Harvest have received in their sermons lately –as when Jeff Donaldson told them how they should not read any blogs that are “tearing down some church or tearing down some pastor,” — (as Scott William Bryant of ‘Bloodstained Ink’ reveals to us in his post, HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL: IS DISSENT THE SAME AS REBELLION?)  they (and all Christians) need to be made aware of the danger of partaking in these occultic practices — if indeed that is what is beginning to take place at Harvest — no matter how innocent these practices may appear to be.

**(ADDED AUGUST 20th 2012)**

I am very sorry for the delay in updating this post by adding more information to verify my concerns, but due to previous computer problems — as well as my work schedule and trying to keep my priorities in order — I have not had very much free time to complete this post as desired.  I have vacation time coming soon, and, Lord willing, will complete this then.  So for now, please consider reading the important information at the links posted below in my reply to Pastor Dan McGhee’s comment.  This is some of the information I had intended to add to this post, and will help you see not only the valid reasons I have for entitling this post with such strong words, but also why I have concerns about the recent ‘Ephesian Service.’

SOME ‘WHAT IFS’ FOR YOU TO CONSIDER

(Here’s one to start with; more to come when time allows).

1)  Since James MacDonald is developing a close relationship with Perry Noble not only because of the Elephant Room Conferences, but also because James has been a part of Perry Noble’s New Spring Church Conferences, and since Perry Noble has recently told the readers of his blog in the ‘DIALOGUE WITH GOD’ portion…

“When you have some uninterrupted time, sit quietly with a pen and paper and wait.  Then write what you hear during the silence.  This sounds like a simple task, but for many of us it is a real challenge.  Discipline yourself to set aside a time of stillness before the Lord to hear God speak.  He will speak right to your heart.”  SOURCE   (Emphasis is mine).  (To learn more, please consider reading this article by Erin Benziger of DO NOT BE SURPRISED, entitled  NEW SPRING CHURCH BLOG: “WRITE WHAT YOU HEAR DURING THE SILENCE”)

‘WHAT IF’ it’s only a matter of time until James MacDonald will encourage those who attend Harvest to ‘be still before the Lord and write down what they hear God speak to them?’  This is a New Age practice known as ‘automatic writing,’ where the person sits quietly and allows the ‘spirits’ to speak to them, and they record what they hear being spoken to them.  This is also how the still very popular ‘Christian’ devotional book, ‘GOD CALLING’ was written back in the 1930’s, and you can read about it here .”

ADDED SEPT. 6, 2012…

2) Since James MacDonald has confirmed that there will definitely be an ELEPHANT ROOM 3, (you can read about it here ) in spite of all the controversy that took place over TD Jakes being one of the speakers at E R 2, and especially because of his comments during that conference that led people to believe TD Jakes is still a Modalist, who will be the new speakers chosen that will attract a large turnout for ER3? (**UPDATE** Seems there has been a change of plans, and it appears now that there will not be another ‘Elephant Room Conference’ –at least not in the near future).

Originally I was going to say it would be Rick Warren, because he was going to be one of the speakers at Perry Noble’s New Spring Conference, (in which James MacDonald is a part of, and this conference is taking place even now as I type this.  You can read Erin Benziger’s insights into what she sees emerging in her post she wrote today, 9/6/12, entitled  PERRY NOBLE’S 2012 NEWSPRING LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE AND THE NEW EMERGING NEW EVANGELICAL MAGISTERIUM )  Rick Warren, however, cancelled out of the conference because of a family issue.

Rick Warren seems to be showing up at many of these conferences with the ‘new tribe‘ that has formed during the Elephant Room Conferences.  People such as Perry Noble, Steven Furtick, and James MacDonald, are seen together at almost all these conferences, along with others of concern (will add information in near future)  Personally, I think it’s only a matter of time before we see Rick Warren as one of the guest speakers at an ‘Elephant Room Conference.’  As James MacDonald’s relationship and friendship grows stronger through his interaction with Rick Warren during these conferences, it seems almost certain.

I remember reading James MacDonald’s blog a couple of years ago.  One person was trying to warn James about Rick Warren, and his reply in part was, ‘Oh pllllease…’ James completely dismissed this person’s valid warning, so it would not surprise me at all if Rick Warren is announced as a guest speaker in the near future.  I know that’s very hard for some of us to believe, but how many of us would have thought the day would actually come when James would speak highly of, and become involved with, TD Jakes, a known Modalist and prosperity preacher, when James strongly spoke against false teachers and prosperity preachers in the not too distant past?

IF YOU ARE UNAWARE OF THE CONCERNS MANY HAVE ABOUT RICK WARREN, PLEASE CONSIDER WATCHING THE FOLLOWING FOUR PART VIDEO SERIES

 What if Rick Warren is a part of the Elephant Room Conference in the near future?  Are you aware of what he teaches, and the mystical practices he endorses as part of his ‘Daniel Plan?’  Will you as a member or attendee of Harvest Bible Chapel rise up and say, “Enough is enough” if indeed this happens?

3)Since James MacDonald has said many times — during sermons (such as in his sermon dated June 10th 2012) and elsewhere — that he meets with Bill Hybels for lunch…

…what if Bill Hybels will become one of the newest guest speakers of the upcoming Elephant Room 3 Conference and becomes part of the ‘new tribe?’  Are you aware of the fact that Bill Hybels has Brian McLaren — one of the main leaders of the ‘Emergent Church’ — speak at Willowcreek quite often?  Are you willing to stand up and let your voices be heard before it’s too late? 

Rick Warren has endorsed James MacDonald’s new book, ‘Vertical Church,’ and had this to say:

“I didn’t just read this book–I savored it.  It’s packed with great content that every pastor, whether rookie or veteran, will benefit from.  I’m so grateful my friend James MacDonald invested the time to help us all, because it is a message of hope for every church.”SOURCE

You can read what others have to say about ‘VERTICAL CHURCH,’ such as Bill Hybels, who says,  “Vertical Church will force you to think fresh thoughts about the future of the church…”  as well as Mark Driscoll, who is identified as “Preaching and Vision Pastor,”  and once again, Rick Warren adds his endorsement, and you can see it all >>here.

Also, concerning James MacDonald’s ‘Vertical Church’ book, it has been made known to those who attend Harvest Bible Chapel through their July 28th29th >>HARVEST ANNOUNCEMENT<<VIDEO that… “People are freaking out about this book…Pastor Rick Warren, Pastor Mark Driscoll, Pastor Bill Hybels…”   If James indeed had concerns about Rick Warren and Bill Hybels, they would certainly not draw attention to these men in the promotion of the Vertical Church book, would they? 

The above ‘What if’s’ are some very possible things that could take place in the near future.  These are just some words of warnings to all of you who attend Harvest, (or any church, for that matter) so that you will be alert and aware of the possible spiritual dangers that may lie ahead.

Please become informed of the many spiritual deceptions that are taking place in the church today, so that you will not slowly be led into deception in these last days.  Above all, pray for discernment, read your Bible and test every message from all who claim to speak God’s Word; ‘examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said is true.’  (Acts 17:11)

SOME GOOD BOOKS

  • DECEIVED ON PURPOSE – Warren Smith, former New Ager reveals the dangers of Rick Warren’s Purpose Driven Church (You can read a review on this book by Tim Challies here).

     
  • FAITH UNDONE – Roger Oakland.  The Emerging Church – a new reformation, or an end-time deception.  (Read about it here).

  • THIS LITTLE CHURCH WENT TO MARKET – Pastor Gary Gilley “…a call for the church to return to its Scriptural roots.”  (Read about that book and others by Pastor Gary Gilley, here.   You can also read many excellent articles he has written exposing mysticism, here).

SOME CONCERNS

When James MacDonald goes on his ‘Vertical Church Tour’ promoting his book, ‘Vertical Church’ from August 8th to October 3rd, (see video here)  >>One. Big. Announcement. Check out the latest information on Vertical Church , who will fill the pulpit during his very long absence? **UPDATE 9/6/12** So far, Rick Donald and Jeff Donaldson have been standing in for James MacDonald; was concerned of the possibility that Steven Furtick or Mark Driscoll may speak. **UPDATE 10/10/12 Craig Groeschel filled in for James on September 30th.

Has James somehow lost his awareness of his main responsibility which is to care for and watch over his sheep, whom God has entrusted to him?  “Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.  Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.”  (Acts 20:28)

Why all the emphasis lately in James’ sermons and especially in his ‘VERTICAL CHURCH’ book on ‘God’s glory coming down?’ Didn’t God’s glory already come down when Jesus came to this earth?  (John 1:14, 2:11, Luke 9:32, Hebrews 1:3)  The only others in ‘ministry’ who focus on ‘God’s glory,’ are unbiblical ‘preachers’ such as Todd Bentley, and Bill Johnson of Bethel Church in Redding CA, (others could also be mentioned).  Just be cautious, Harvesters.  Don’t be led astray into seeking after ‘experiences’ with God.  Remember that Jesus said that,  “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign!”  (Matthew 12:39)

**ADDED 9/11/12** As stated above, Rick Warren has been part of the many conferences that James has been attending lately, and the newest one is ‘The Resurgence Conference,’ which will take place at ‘Mariners Church in Irvine, CA on October 9th and 10th 2012.  Speakers and topics are as follows:

  • Rick Warren – INCREASING INFLUENCE

  • Nick Vujicic – BUILDING ENDURANCE

  • Craig Groeschel – CREATING A CULTURE OF INNOVATION

  • Greg Laurie – PREACHING JESUS

  • Miles McPherson – SERVING YOUR CITY

  • Mark Driscoll – MAKING DISCIPLES

  • Lecrae – ENGAGING CULTURE

  • James MacDonald – INCREASING RESOURCES SOURCE

**10/10/12** VIDEOS PROMOTING THE RESURGENCE CONFERENCE OCTOBER 9th & 10th 2012

In light of the information you learned about Rick Warren from the videos above, does the thought of having Rick Warren at the Resurgence Conference concern you?

Does Mark Driscoll give us  good reasons for having James MacDonald at the Resurgence Conference?  Would Paul the apostle be described in this way?  Isn’t God the one who grows the church?  (Acts 2:47) (1 Corin. 3:7) It seems for some, that church has sadly become simply an “organization.”

It is very disconcerting to see just how ‘dedicated’ — shall we say– that James has become to get the message of ‘VERTICAL CHURCH’ out, as you will see in the following video…

**ADDED 1/13/13**BIBLICAL ANALYSIS OF JAMES MACDONALD’S ‘VERTICAL CHURCH MESSAGE’ – BY CHRIS ROSEBROUGH – ‘FIGHTING FOR THE FAITH’

VERTICAL CHURCH DEBRIEF -1

VERTICAL CHURCH DEBRIEF-2

VERTICAL CHURCH FINAL DEBRIEF

PLEASE continue to pray for James as well as the other pastors and elders, and especially for all who attend Harvest.  God bless you and thank you very much for taking the time to read the latest concerns I have about what is taking place at my former church, Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows.  Please keep praying and don’t give up hope, Harvesters! 

Soon I am going to be bringing this post to an end by wrapping up my thoughts on this, as well as on the introduction to the poem that I wrote to try and express my concerns to those of you who attend Harvest, entitled, WARNING YOU WITH TEARS in the near future.  There comes a time when we must move ahead.  This whole thing has been very spiritually draining for me, as I know it is for many of you who are still attending.  If you find yourself unable to enter into worship with all your heart when you are at Harvest, or if you find yourself in need of analyzing each and every sermon that is preached (as I did before I left) beyond just being a good Acts 17:11 Berean, and if you are unable to sit and enjoy hearing God’s Word being preached when you are there, (maybe with good reason) then it may be time for you to move on and begin your search for another church, as well.  We all need to have our focus on Christ, and not allow the ‘enemy of our souls’ to drain us of our joy and strength, which can cause us to be rendered powerless and unable to be used by God when an opportunity arises for us to share His love and truth and words of encouragement with someone He may bring our way. 

I may have left Harvest, but my heart is still filled with concern for all of you.  Pray and think about all of this.  God will give you His strength, wisdom, and courage to do what He may now be calling you to do.  God bless you.  Praying for all of you.

YOU MAY ALSO BE INTERESTED IN READING:

AN ANCHOR FOR MY SOUL Poem I wrote when I was discouraged and close to leaving Harvest

LIKE SHEEP WITHOUT A SHEPHERD  Poem I wrote right after I left Harvest

WARNING YOU WITH TEARS  Poem I wrote mainly to warn those of you at Harvest