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Welcome to the finale in the series of Warning You With Tears Wednesday posts –at least for this year so that I can focus on writing some other things that are weighing heavily upon my heart. It is my hope and prayer that through these series of posts you have come to realize the importance of testing everything that you read and hear in light of Scripture, and that you have especially come to realize the importance of examining the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said by your pastor, or your favorite preachers and teachers, is true. (Acts 17:11)

One of the signs that points to Jesus Christ’s soon return as recorded in God’s Word, the Bible, is spiritual deception, and that was the very first thing that Jesus Christ Himself mentioned when His disciples asked Him what would be the sign of His coming, and when would it take place. So with that in mind, I want you to see just a few of the many things that are leading many Christians astray these days, and it may possibly be even –you!

A few of the following things I have shared with you before, but I thought they were important enough to bring to your attention again, as well as to take this opportunity to warn those who may come across this blog for the very first time.

And now for the very lengthy over 10,000 word finale of Warning You With Tears Wednesday:

UPDATED AND COMPLETED SATURDAY 5/14/16 5:10 P.M.

1) Earth Day was April 22nd. Are you still under the impression that Earth Day is simply about cleaning up our environment and planting a tree? Read this article and you’ll discover the hidden agenda behind Earth Day:

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH – NEW BOOKLET TRACT – EARTH DAY AND A TOTAL TRANSFORMATION FOR A POST-CHRISTIAN WORLD – CARL TEICHRIB

2) Our world is rapidly changing. The return of Jesus Christ could be sooner than anyone could ever possibly imagine! Would you be ready if He returned today? The signs are all around us: increase in earthquakes, ungodliness, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, false teachers, spiritual deception, the love of many growing cold…the list could go on and on! Here are just a few shocking items in the news that points to the soon return of Jesus Christ:

— Parents, are you aware of Target’s new bathroom and changing room policy? Did you ever think that the day would come in your lifetime when men would be allowed in women’s bathroom’s and dressing rooms simply because they identify as a woman? What about the safety of women and children from rapists and kidnappers who may take advantage of such a policy? If you stand for Biblical values and want to make sure that your children are not  put in harms way, it’s time to let your voices be heard by finding another place to shop like over one million people have already done –including me!

CHRISTIAN POST – TARGET STOCK PRICES PLUMMET AFTER 1 MILLION-STRONG BOYCOTT OVER TRANSGENDER BATHROOM POLICY TARGET STOCK PRICES PLUMMET AFTER ONE MILLION STRONG BOYCOTT OVER TRANSGENDER BATHROOM POLICY

 Here’s just one example of what can happen:

LIFESITE NEWS – SEXUAL PREDATOR JAILED AFTER CLAIMING TO BE TRANSGENDER IN ORDER TO ASSAULT WOMEN IN SHELTER

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault

 

— The moral and spiritual decline that is taking place in our country and our world today is causing many children to become even more confused about who they are and what life is all about! Movies and television programs are making everything that God’s Word declares as being wrong and sinful seem normal and acceptable, and in the name of tolerance everyone’s views on life are being embraced –except those held by Bible believing Christians.

As Christians we are to have love and compassion for transgender people and share God’s love and truth with them as we are to do with all people. The truth is we were all created by God. He created some of us male and some female. For those who choose to reject what God’s Word has to say concerning how He uniquely created each one of us, maybe they will listen to what the American College of Pediatricians has to say:

GENDER IDEOLOGY HARMS CHILDREN

 

3) Christian parents, are you carefully screening the programs that your children are viewing? There are many out there promoting religious beliefs even in educational programs. These programs can subliminally plant seeds of a completely different and unbiblical belief system of life and the afterlife into our children’s minds, such as what is presented in this video beginning at the 4:47  minute mark until approximately the 5:45 minute mark:

4) Some children’s programs can even lead your children into participating in eastern religious practices, such as yoga, which, in these programs is referred to as yogo –a gentle form of yoga:

And if you find yourself thinking that yogo was just a one time happening in these Waybuloo programs that feature adorable, wide-eyed characters who teach your children some good lessons about sharing, etc., when time allows watch this three hour extravaganza featuring many of their shows and you will see that it is a reoccurring part of their programs:

 

 

5) If you are still one of the many who believe that yoga is just another form of stretching exercises, please take the time to watch this video and share it with others, as well:

6) Parents – Christian and otherwise – I know that many of you out there have good intentions by enrolling your children in Karate class, or something similar. Maybe you’re thinking that it would be good to get them involved in something that will teach them self-discipline, self-confidence, and self-defense. However, you truly need to become aware of the occult roots of these practices, and realize the importance of you personally teaching your children how to live a disciplined life and how they should rely upon God for their confidence. When time allows, please consider reading the following testimony of  Linda Nathan:

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – NEW BOOKLET TRACT: DANGERS AND DECEPTIONS OF THE MARTIAL ARTS AND WHY ONE WOMAN WALKED AWAY FROM A CHAMPIONSHIP CAREER

7) I also decided to share the following personal account of a former black  belt champion, Eric Wilson, who was involved in the Martial Arts for 25 years, but please do not consider it as being an endorsement of his ministry in any way! This video comes with a very strong warning for you if you choose to listen to it: You need to be aware of the fact that this man, Eric Wilson, is part of the 7th Day Adventist church which is a cult. (See the video further below for a detailed look into the teachings and prophecies of  Ellen G White). A Christian friend shared this video with me last year, and the reason that I am sharing it with you is because he truly gets to the roots of the occult nature of all of these Martial Arts practices. Now we just need to pray that he becomes aware of the false teachings of Ellen G White and the 7th Day Adventist Church!

 

8) With that being said, after you find the time to read the testimony above and watch the above video, as well, I hope that you will find yourself asking the same question that I did when I found the following video while searching for videos from a Biblical perspective in order to expose the occult roots of the Martial Arts. The question that I asked myself was: “Why is Pastor Raul Ries (of Calvary Chapel Golden Springs, CA) promoting the Martial Arts?”

Here he is at the United Martial Arts For Christ. Uniting Martial Arts with Jesus Christ is an oxymoron; like Christian yoga, they simply cannot be mixed together.

 

This is what you will find on his Calvary Chapel Golden Springs church website:

Capture Raul Ries - Calvary Chapel Golden Springs - Kung Fu(SOURCE)

 9) Former Martial Arts expert, Vito Rallo, briefly shares the Dangers Behind Martial Arts and Yoga:

 

Okay. Prepare yourself now as I take you down a verrry long and winding road that will lead you from one serious concern to another, and you will see how many of them are interconnected. A great number of these concerns involve the Calvary Chapel movement and their departure from Biblical truth because of their promotion of people and practices that do not reflect Biblical Christianity. In the end I hope that you will see how extremely important it is to test everything in light of Scripture and not to simply accept a person because of their testimony or embrace a teaching — regardless of how trusted the teacher may seem to be — without making sure that everything lines up with Scripture.

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10) The next concern that I need to bring to your attention is the fact that Raul Ries’ son, Ryan Ries, promotes the singer Brian Head Welch from Korn who professes to be a born-again Christian. Korn management made an announcement back on February 22, 2005 that Brian had left Korn stating that he had “…chosen the Lord Jesus Christ as his savior.”  (SOURCE)

In this video Ryan Ries shares his personal testimony. Although I will not judge his heart, it is truly sad that his focus was more on his life before he came to Christ, instead of on Jesus Christ Himself and the good news of the gospel:

 

11) Here is an interview that Brian did after becoming a Christian in which he shared a short version of his testimony, and how in spite of the fact that he grew up with the main members of Korn, he was very determined never to return to Korn.

 

12) In the following interview which was recorded back in December of 2009, Brian was asked to join up with Korn again, but he was still determined to continue in the new direction he had been going in since he was now part of the Whosoevers which not only included Brian, but also Sonny Sandoval, the lead singer of P.O.D. and co-founder of the Whosoevers, Lacey Sturm from Flyleaf, and Ryan Ries, who is also the co-founder of the Whosoevers movement.

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13) In February of 2012 Brian started a new band called Love And Death. Below is one of his songs entitled, Washed By Blood. Though there is still an intensely heavy metal sound to the music, the lyrics do present some Biblical truth:

 

14) Many Christians were very excited when they heard about Brian becoming a Christian, just as I was. However, some failed to take a closer look at his life to see if he was truly reflecting the character of Jesus Christ and exhibiting the fruit that gives evidence of a changed life. (Matthew 3:8)

Sadly, on May 2, 2013, Brian officially rejoined Korn. In the following video you will hear an interview with the members of Korn which was recorded shortly after Brian returned. You will hear him explain his reason for leaving Korn, and it is void of any reference to Jesus Christ.

When asked, “What was your process of getting your life back together?” He said the following:

“It was this church in Bakersfield I ended up going to…when I went into that place it was like love entered my heart  and I came back to life and I wanted to live again. All of a sudden I was like cursed with all these positive thoughts in my head…I was like, “You’re going to be happy, you’re going to be okay,” and so ever since then I just did that.”

He gets another chance to share about Jesus Christ when asked the following question:

“A lot of people don’t make it. What do you think it was inside you that managed to pull you out of that?”

In part, here is Brian’s reply:

“…I felt that love enter my heart and hope entered me and I was like, “I can do this.  And that was it. I was instantly addicted to that. I wanted that love, I wanted to feel that, and I wanted to raise my daughter, and I wanted to sit at home and get away from the rock star life, man.”

Warning! There are swear words at these minute marks (2:03,04, 4:34,35, 11:45-47, 54,55, 13:05,06, 14:05,19-27, 16:26,27, 19:49-20:02, 21:10,11, 24:55,56, 28:28-47, 31:14-18) in case you’d like to hit the mute button.

15) In the process of doing research on Brian, I came across the following video in which you will hear him share his testimony in great detail. He truly sounds genuine with much of what he says, but you will hear him focus way too much on his life before he made his profession of faith, and you will hear how he chose to dismiss the valid concerns that Christians expressed to him regarding his decision to return to Korn.

Ryan Ries does present the gospel at the end, but in light of all that I will be sharing with you in this post one has to wonder if Brian truly embraced Jesus Christ, or if he received “another Jesus” and “another gospel.”                 (2 Corinthians 11:4, Galatians 1:6-9)

 

16) When I first began watching videos on Brian in order to do research for this post, my first thoughts were that he was just simply led astray and deceived, because I didn’t see any clear evidence in what he was saying to show otherwise. However, the evidence to show otherwise became very clear after watching the videos further below. When time allows, consider watching them, but I need to give you this strong warning first:

CAUTION! This first video (uploaded by YouTube user, Psalm86 and originally created by Proverbs1:7Truth) is filled with some disturbing images from Korn’s concerts, music videos, etc., which were necessary to add in order to present you with an accurate portrayal of the life of Brian (Head) Welch after he made his profession of faith. It may only be necessary for you to simply watch the first few minutes of it in order to clearly see the truth about Brian. Please take some time to pray for him, as well:

 Capture Brian Head Welch - The WhosoeversPicture was quick captured from the video above)

17) As previously mentioned, Brian is part of a movement called the Whosoevers:

“The Whosoevers is a movement fueled by what the founders see as an overwhelming need to encourage individuals and speak purpose into the lives of millions around the world. The non-profit organization was founded in 2009 as a collaboration between Sonny Sandoval, Ryan Ries and Brian “Head” Welch with the intent to positively impact today’s music, skateboarding and art culture.[14][15] Ambassadors include [Lacey] Sturm, Annie Lobert, freestyle motocross athlete Ronnie Faisst, and lead singer of the band Islander Mikey Carvajal.”  (SOURCE – Wikipedia)

In this short interview Ryan Ries explains the purpose for this movement:

When time allows, please watch the following video that was published in Feb. 2014 by YouTube Channel Proverbs1:7Truth. It is actually a portion of the Brian Head Welch Exposed video without the content that I cautioned you about:

Brian and the Whosoevers are strongly promoted at Calvary Chapel Golden Springs, where Raul Ries, the father of Ryan Ries is the pastor. Here is a current  example:

https://thelasthiker.wordpress.com/2016/05/09/calvary-chapel-golden-springs-invites-a-wolf-to-teach-the-sheep/

 

This quick capture, however, is from The Whosoevers website:

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If you watched the very disturbing Brian Head Welch Exposed video, as well as the previous one, then you will find yourself among the many who are asking themselves, “How can Calvary Chapel continue to promote Brian Head Welch?”  But it gets worse, as you will soon see as we continue on down this long and spiritually dark and dangerous winding road.

 

18) The following pictures were quick captured from the video that I strongly cautioned you about earlier. If you choose to watch that video and examine all of the art work that is used on their album covers and added to the t-shirts that they sell, you will see how dark and disturbing much of it is:

Capture Melissa Leslie - Artist and photographer for the Whosoevers

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Some may argue and say the skulls symbolize death in relation to our sinful nature, but if you take the time to examine more of the details of Brian’s life since he made his profession of faith, I think it will become more obvious to you that Brian should not be lifted up as a Christian role model for our youth at any church!

Let’s continue:

19) Brian attends Bethel Church where Bill Johnson is the pastor. This fact alone should cause many Christians to hesitate from promoting him at their church! Lord willing, I will focus on Bill Johnson in greater detail in an upcoming False Teacher Friday post later on this year. For now, here is just a sample of his teaching so that you will hopefully realize the unbiblical type of teaching that Brian is receiving!

Here are some more examples:

20) This article, written by John Lanagan of MY WORD LIKE FIRE, will not only show you that Bill Johnson has a low view of Scripture, but also he gives clear examples of how his teachings are based on New Age thought which makes them heretical and downright dangerous!

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – NEW BOOKLET TRACT – THE NEW AGE PROPENSITIES OF BETHEL CHURCH’S BILL JOHNSON

21) Here’s another article written by John Lanagan in which he shares how Bill and his wife Beni each contributed a chapter in the book The Physics of Heaven:

https://mywordlikefire.com/2014/09/13/mark-chironnas-new-agequantum-mysticism-at-bethel-redding-conference/

Here’s a short excerpt from his article:

“As disturbing as The Physics of Heaven is, at least the book serves as a warning that Bill Johnson and Bethel (and others) are heading toward a New Age/quantum mysticism understanding of God.”

 

22) Pastor Larry DeBruyn of GUARDING HIS FLOCK MINISTRIES wrote a book review on The Physics of Heaven.  Here’s Part 1:

HERESCOPE: THE PHYSICS OF HEAVEN – A SERIAL BOOK REVIEW AND THEOLOGICAL INTERACTION – PASTOR LARRY DEBRUYN

 23) There is a movie that is still in production in which Andrew Strom will focus on Bill Johnson and his promotion of New Age mystical experiences:

 

24) Andrew Strom also produced this shocking documentary which shows how the mystical practices that can be found in the world of the occult and the New Age Movement are making their way into many churches, and have been for quite some time now. Presently, this particular video has received over 127,000 views!

 

25) Now this spiritually dangerous road that I am taking you down veers back to Brian Head Welch:

Bethel Church produced a movie called The Holy Ghost Movie in  which Brian also took part in. Here is a short one minute clip of Brian from the movie, and it’s all one really needs to hear to realize that what Brian said does not line up with Scripture:

 

26) Below is a clip from the sequel of the Holy Ghost movie which is entitled, Holy Ghost Reborn. If you choose to watch it you will see how a movie like this can play on your emotions. If you’re not careful and continuously on guard, you can easily be pulled in by the moving personal stories and forget to pray for discernment and fail to test everything in light of Scripture to see if what is being said and done is true or not, and possibly become deceived. (1 Thessalonians 5:21,22) (Acts 17:11)

 

In the very beginning of the short clip above, a man in Mecca had this to say:

“In the night I had this dream. And in the dream Jesus came. First he touched my forehead with his hand and said, “You have been saved…you have been saved. Then he opened his hand and placed it on my chest, and he said, “You belong to me.”

27) The Jesus who appeared to him in his dream was clearly not the Jesus of the Bible, but rather “another Jesus” who presented “another gospel” to him. It was more in line with Hinduism when a guru places his hand on a person’s forehead (shaktipat) in order to awaken the Kundalini serpent that is said to be coiled at the base of the spine. (You can hear a short explanation of this starting at the 4:48 minute mark in this video:

 

28) Here is a very thorough review of the Holy Ghost Movie by Tim Wirth and Sandy Simpson:

 

29) Since professing to be a Christian, Brian has become involved with many other very dangerous false teachers who are part of the New Apostolic Reformation: Todd Bentley, Patricia King, and John Crowder. As a reminder, Bill Johnson is Brian’s pastor, and he is also a part of the New Apostolic Reformation movement.

First, please watch these videos if you are not aware of who these people are:

Todd Bentley

 

 

Here is Bill Johnson praying his blessing on Todd Bentley. Not long after this prayer Todd Bentley’s healing revival came to a disastrous end when it was made known that he committed adultery.

 

Patricia King

 

 

 

 

John Crowder

 

 

 

30) If you are not aware of the beliefs of those who are part of the New Apostolic Reformation are, please watch the videos below. Just briefly, those involved with this movement believe that the Church must take dominion over  government and certain aspects of society before Jesus Christ can even return. Pastor Chris Quintana of Calvary Chapel Cypress gives an excellent teaching on this in the following video, and more very good information is also provided by Sandy Simpson of Apologetics Coordination Team in the videos that follow:

 

 

 

Another thing you will see that is a common focus in the New Apostolic Reformation movement is their focus on manifestations and angels instead of focusing on preaching the Word of God. When time allows please  consider watching these videos and please be sure to test everything in light of Scripture. (Acts 17:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22)

Bill Johnson of Bethel Church:

Keep this in mind as you watch the following video: If this is truly the glory of God manifesting at Bethel Church, do you think that you would respond the way some of these people did? Or would you fall on your face in reverent fear knowing that you were in the presence of a thrice Holy God?

 

Patricia King:

 

 

31) Here are a few recent items concerning Brian just so that you can see what he is involved in presently:

Capture Brian Head Welch - Tweet concerning being on James Robison's show promoting his new book

James and Betty Robison are some of the many who have given in to compromise:

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This “incredible author” whom Brian is promoting in the following tweet is a teacher at Bill Johnson’s church –Bethel Redding CA

Capture Brian Head Welch - Tweet 3-27-16 - promotes book Hunger Driven by Brian Nickens - Bill Johnson wrote the forward - Tweet 2

As you can see in the tweet below Brian is promoting the music at Bethel Church:

Capture Brian Head Welch - Tweet promoting Bethel Music -Twet 3

In the following tweet, Brian is promoting Shawn Bolz’s new book about “hearing God’s voice.”

Capture Brian Welch - Tweet promoting Shawn Bolz Oct 24 2015

Shawn Bolz is the pastor of Expression58 Church. Note at the very bottom of this quick capture below that they promote Sozo/Inner Healing:

Capture Shawn Bolz Expression58 Church - Sozo-Inner Healing(SOURCE)

32) In case you are not aware of what Sozo is, a few years ago M’Kayla Kelly of M’KAYLA’S KORNER shared some articles on her blog on the subject, and you can read them at the link below. In the past M’Kayla was trained as a SOZO minister and she was once deeply involved at Bill Johnson’s Bethel Church, as well! (See video below under Related Videos).

INNER HEALING – CHRISTIAN OR OCCULT?

Brian and John Crowder:

Capture Brian Welch and John Crowder

The picture above was quick captured from the YouTube video entitled, “Brian Head Welch of Korn False Teacher of Christianity Part 2”

 

Now that you have a clear picture of Brian Head Welch, as well as some of the teachings of the company that he keeps and how he is clearly being influenced by people such as John Crowder and the many others involved in the New Apostolic Reformation, how is it even possible that Calvary Chapel can continue to promote him?

I never intended to focus so much on Brian Head Welch in this post. However, after doing research on him and watching videos not only put together by a dear Sister-In-Christ (YouTube user Psalm86), but also videos created by others who also expressed their serious concerns about Brian, one thing just kept continuing to lead to another. And after I found out from Psalm86 that Calvary Chapel promotes him, and because I came to realize the many spiritually dangerous people that he is involved with and how he could very well mislead many Christians who lack discernment, I decided to gather as much information as possible in order to emphasize the importance of the  following:

We as Christians are to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and lift up Him alone; we are not to exalt any person who claims to have become a Christian. Just think of the possible devastation that can take place if young Christians follow those people that Brian is endorsing and is involved with!

If you are under the impression that Brian is a strong Christian role model and that he has not been affected in a negative way spiritually by his involvement with John Crowder (just to name one person), please watch this video and ask yourself if what he says reflects true Biblical Christianity, or if he sounds like he is echoing the very language of John Crowder and others and is blasphemous, as well! We are to “test the spirits” (1 John 4:1) and to “examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said is true” or not. (Acts 17:11) This is making a righteous judgment. (John 7:24)

 

Let’s look at a few Scriptures to get a Biblical perspective on how we are to think concerning Brian, or any person who claims to be a Christian, for that matter:

“I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people — not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked man from among you.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-13)

“The Lord knows those who are His,” and “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble. If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the master and prepared to do any good work. Flee the evil desired of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord with a pure heart.” (2 Timothy 2:19-22)

“In fact everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted., while evil men and imposters will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:12-16)

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus by their fruit you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:13-20)

“Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. As obedient children do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy because I am holy.” Since you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your lives as strangers here with reverent fear. For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.” (1 Peter 1:13-19)

“Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our “God is a consuming fire.” (Hebrews 12:28,29)

 

Before I bring this post to a close, there are a few more serious concerns that you need to be aware of related to Calvary Chapel churches, and you will then see how some of these dangerous roads that I have been leading you down are merging together:

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Concerns About Greg Laurie:

33) Many Christians are very sad and deeply concerned about Pastor Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship Church in Riverside CA and wonder what ever happened that caused him to give in to compromise and drift so far from Biblical truth! Not only has he become closely associated with Purpose Driven Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in CA over the years, but also it seems that he has now aligned himself with Lou Engel who is part of the NAR — the New Apostolic Reformation — and he promoted the Azusa Now event that just took place on April 9th:

PIRATE CHRISTIAN/BEREAN EXAMINER – AZUSA REDUX: LOU ENGLE, GREG LAURIE UNITING DENOMINATIONS?

(As a side note, Shawn Bolz and Bill Johnson of Bethel Church, along  with others such as Heidi Baker, also took part in this event, which raises the concern level for many Christians to extremely serious). (See videos below under Related Videos).

 

Below you will see a video of one of the most disturbing things that happened at this event that involves Lou Engle:

The following video reveals many more serious concerns one should have about Greg Laurie. It grieves me to have to share this video with you because when I first became a Christian I would get up early in the morning just so that I could hear him preach. He always presented a solid Biblical message! But sadly, because of the obvious choices that he has made over the years to give in to compromise, he is no longer considered trustworthy by  many Christians. (Pause the video often so that you can read all the details in the quick captures that Phil Berean on YouTube made on the important information that he added to his video):

34) Another thing that is necessary to add to the list of serious concerns about Greg Laurie is that, according to a person who once attended his church, this person began to see “signs of Spiritual Formation in Jr. High and up,” which is why that person left Greg Laurie’s church.

Please don’t make the mistake of thinking that all Calvary Chapel pastors  and those associated with Calvary Chapels have given in to compromise. That simply is not true! In the midst of the spiritual darkness that we see forming all around us, there is still hope. There are many who either once were, or still are a part of the Calvary Chapel movement who have not given in to compromise, such as Pastor Chris Quintana of Calvary Chapel Cypress. Lord willing, Pastor Chris is determined to present more Conferences similar to the recent ones that he had (such as the Defending the Faith Conference that took place in March 2016, as well as the Emerging Church Round Table Meeting that took place in February 2016)  in order to gather like-minded Christian pastors together to speak out and to warn the body of Christ concerning not only the many forms of spiritual deception that are leading many Christians astray, but also to warn Christians about the massive attempt to unite all Christians together for the sake of love and peace, and declare falsely that this is the unity that Jesus Christ prayed to His Father for in John Chapter 17. There can be no unity unless it is built upon solid Biblical truth as its foundation, not on the traditions, teachings, and philosophies of men.

35) Chris Lawson of SPIRITUAL RESEARCH NETWORK is another one who has not given in to compromise. He was once a pastor at a Calvary Chapel Church, but resigned after all his attempts to bring his valid concerns to the attention of many pastors and leaders of Calvary Chapels were ignored. He recently posted a video explaining his concerns and all that he did to try and bring… You can read his article and watch the video at the link below:

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – THE RISING STORM AND A CLARION CALL FOR HUMILITY, TRUTH, AND REPENTANCE: OBSERVATIONS FOR CALVARY CHAPEL LEADERS TO CONSIDER

Here are some more very serious concerns involving many Calvary Chapel Churches that I need to bring to your attention:

36) Many Calvary Chapels are beginning to present AWANA programs which now includes Spiritual Formation:

 

37) Roger Oakland was involved with the Calvary Chapel movement for many years and he was actually invited to be on staff by Pastor Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa CA in 1988 and he remained on staff for three years. He has been among the few who have been courageous enough to speak out to try and warn many Calvary Chapel pastors concerning the downward spiral many are taking spiritually, and has paid the price in many ways for doing so! Here are some of the serious concerns that he has recently brought to our attention:

–1 WILLOW CREEK, CALVARY CHAPEL, AND THE BIBLE

–2 CALVARY CHAPEL, BILL HYBELS, AND JSUIT MYSTICISM

–3 THE OWNERSHIP OF THE NAME “CALVARY CHAPEL” THE DOVE AND THE APPEARANCE OF A NEW SYMBOL

-4 CALVARY CHAPEL COSTA MESA AND ALPHA

When time allows please watch this video presentation by Cecil Andrews of  TAKE HEED MINISTRIES if you are not already aware of the serious concerns that many Christians have with the Alpha Course:

 

 

38) Calvary Chapel in Budapest, Hungary holds Leadership Conference where Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Church trained leaders:

ROGER OAKLAND OF ‘UNDERSTAND THE TIMES’ – CALVARY CHAPEL, BILL HYBELS, AND JESUIT MYSTICISM

39) Many who are part of the Calvary Chapel Movement are extremely concerned about the spiritual direction in which things may go in the years to come due to the fact that the new pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa is Brian Brodersen, the husband of Chuck Smith’s daughter, who is known for his strong stand for ecumenism. Here’s an article from Galatians 4 website which will give you more information, followed by the article that I previously shared with you earlier written by Roger Oakland. I am sharing it with you again because it’s related and it’s extremely important for you to be aware of this information in case you didn’t read it previously:

GALATIANS 4: BRIAN BRODERSEN: JUST ANOTHER ECUMENICAL CATHOLIC-FRIENDLY LEADER

UNDERSTAND THE TIMES – THE OWNERSHIP OF THE NAME “CALVARY CHAPEL,” THE DOVE AND THE APPEARANCE OF A NEW SYMBOL

 

40) Here is another event that took place at the end of last year that I’d like to bring your attention to in order to show you the unbiblical unity that has already been forming in the name of ecumenism:


Mike Bickle – International House of Prayer – IHOP

41) John Lanagan has written many articles concerning the unity that has recently been taking place between Catholics and International House of Prayer and you can read his many articles at the link below:

Mike Bickle, International House of Prayer

Please forgive me if I have offended any of you who are Catholic who may now be reading this, but if you take the time to read the Bible and test the teachings of your church against what God has to say in His Word, you will come to the realization that Catholicism teaches “another Jesus” and “another gospel,” both having no power to save you. Plus anyone who gets involved with the International House of Prayer — no matter what religion they may be — will head down an extremely dangerous spiritual path where the focus is on mystical experiences and the teachings are based on Scriptures that are taken out of context and twisted to teach something entirely different than what the verses actually say.

If any of you are not aware of who Mike Bickle is, or if you have never heard of the International House of Prayer and the serious concerns that many Christians have about this movement, when time allows please watch these videos:

Misty Edwards:

Below is the information that I shared with you on a previous post concerning some of the unbiblical things that Misty Edwards had to say in the following videos. This is an example of the type of teaching that is presented at International House of Prayer that is leading the youth of today into unbiblical, mystical practices because they are encouraged to have experiences with God instead of being encouraged to seek God in His Word, the Bible:

In Part 1 you will hear her share a dream she has (@ 5:06) about God coming to her in a dream ‘in the form of a man and running like a lion…’  Then she speaks about “a Buddhist monk of sorts, and there’s this aura of peace…”  But before she does, she says the following disturbing things,  starting @ 1:20…

“I believe the new thing He’s doing is He’s about to split the sky, come back to the planet as a man…I mean I really believe this-this sounds outrageous, doesn’t it?   I believe that Jesus is gonna come back to the planet as a Jewish man… (can’t understand next few words) …”brown eyes, brown hair, not that tall- Jewish man, who was born to be a king, is coming back to the planet, and He is gonna come back to the planet in response to the bride who’s gonna be singing… unified, globally.   This is intense where this thing is going.  I’m looking at your faces, and I’m going, “God, these-this is  who you’ve chosen, this is a- at least a stream of people that You’ve chosen for such a time as this, to raise up a new sound, a new song in the earth, for such a time as this to-to usher in the second coming.  I mean, do you have any idea who you are?”

MISTY EDWARDS ON PROPHETIC WORSHIP AT BREAKOUT SESSION ONE THING 2007

Here is a related article:

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – FIRST EVER CATHOLIC SPEAKER AT IHOP-KC ONETHING CONFERENCE WAS ASKED TO SPEAK ON WISDOM OF TERESA OF AVILA, CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER- JOHN  LANAGAN

 

42) Another event that I’d like to warn you about was brought to my attention via another Facebook Suggested Post.  The next stop on the Outcry Tour takes place this month and every one of their events has the potential to draw many of our youth into embracing the dangerous unbiblical teachings of Brian Houston, Bill Johnson, Steven Furtick, etc., if they are pulled in any further than simply listening to the music!

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43) In some of my previous posts I shared information with you concerning Hillsong, Jesus Culture, and Elevation Church/Steven Furtick, but now  I need to warn you of the dangers that lurk beyond the pretty face and voice of Kari Jobe. In the following video you will hear Kari talk about her song, Forever that she wrote with Bill Johnson’s son, Brian Johnson and you will hear her say the following:

“We talk about the death on the cross, and we talk about the resurrection, but that time in between is when Jesus was in hell, rendering hell, and ransacking hell, and defeating the enemy, taking those keys to death, hell, and the grave to be victorious over that when He rose from the dead.”

Please do not consider me posting the above video as being an endorsement of the site Pulpit&Pen.

Others such as Joyce Meyer teaches this heresy, as well:

Herein lies one of the dangers of attending these concerts: Even though many go because they like the music, the theology ingrained into some of the lyrics of songs written by those who hold to an unbiblical view of Christianity can have a very damaging effect on one’s beliefs –especially if the listeners choose to get involved with these pastor’s teachings at some point in the future.

 

44)For those of you who read MYSTICISM MONDAY – THE FINALE, you may remember that I mentioned they were erecting the arch from the Temple of Baal in New York and in London. Well, I am happy to share what seems to be a victorious update with you:

VICTORY! THE ARCH FROM THE TEMPLE OF BAAL PLANNED FOR NEW YORK CITY HAS BEEN CANCELLED!

However…

45) A few days after posting the link above, I came across the following  information. In part, the article says:

“The Monumental Arch [also called the Arch of Triumph] was built sometime during the reign of emperor Septimius Severus, which lasted from 193 to 211 AD; it linked the main street  of the Colonnade and the Temple of Bel.” (I  discovered this information by watching the following  video which I decided not to post  on my blog because I did not agree with some of its content, but I posted the link so as not to take credit for finding the following information on my own): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8hEyZvI2aw

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46) Just as I was about to bring this post to a close, some information was brought to my attention concerning my former church of over 14 1/2 years — Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows:

Women of Harvest Bible Chapel this warning is specifically for all of you! You need to be aware of an upcoming Summer Study that could possibly present you with some unbiblical advice that could cause many  of you to be led astray. Please read on:

According to the information on HBC’s website, the Rolling Meadows location  will be offering you a SUMMER STUDY that will focus on “Having Intimacy With God.”

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The term “having intimacy with God” is one that should raise a huge red flag for any discerning Christian! But it’s possible that some of you may still be under the impression that all those in Christian leadership at every church can be trusted. That simply is not true! Some in leadership just present to the people in their congregation what sells well, and some promote popular Christian authors without looking into what these authors actually teach, and they also fail to take the time to see if everything they say lines up with Scripture or not. So I’d just like to warn you that if the book that will be the focus for this SUMMER STUDY is written by Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, or Priscilla Shirer, please do not sign up! Here is a very good article and two previous posts that will give you many good reasons why you shouldn’t sign up:

 LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH – QUESTION TO THE EDITOR: WHAT ABOUT ONE THOUSAND GIFTS BY ANN VOSKAMP?

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=9593

BETH MOORE LIVE SIMULCAST  – WILL YOUR CHURCH BE BRINGING BETH MOORE TO YOUR COMMUNITY?

HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL LEADERSHIP, CHRISTIAN LEADERS, AND THE LACK OF BIBLICAL DISCERNMENT

 

Since this will be the last Warning You With Tears Wednesday post — at least for now —  I’d like to end with some articles and a few videos with information that I see as being some of the most important things for you to be aware of in light of the popularity of Beth Moore and what is taking place in the name of Christianity today. Some of these videos and articles I have shared before, but I see the need to share them with you again because they are filled with very important information that helps to truly open your eyes and fill in the blanks for all the unanswered questions you may have because of what you may see happening at your church. Be sure to pray and ask God for wisdom and discernment, and as you read the articles and watch the videos things will then begin to make sense, and you will finally realize what is actually taking place:

47) LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – NEW BOOKLET TRACT: BETH MOORE AND PRISCILLA SHIRER – THEIR HISTORY OF CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER AND WHY ‘WAR ROOM’ SHOULD NOT HAVE USED THEM – BY JOHN LANAGAN

48) If your church already has Cell Groups or is in the process of forming them, here’s some very important information by Sarah Leslie of Herescope that’s a definite must listen to:

HERESCOPE: THE CELL CHURCH – THE NEW STRUCTURE FOR THE NEW CHURCH FOR THE NEW MILLENNIUM

 

49) WHAT’S WRONG WITH THE 21ST CENTURY CHURCH? BY DR. ROBERT KLENCK

PART 1

PART 2

PART 3 

 

 

 

 

 In my previous Warning You With Tears Wednesday posts I always tried to find something to end with that would give God the praise and glory that He is so deserving of, and in this finale I will do the same but end with two items:

50) Some of you who read this blog from time to time may have seen the video I shared last year concerning the large Hadron Collider that is located in Cern Switzerland and how scientists are trying to “recreate the big bang.” Stephen Hawking, who is an extremely brilliant scientist and is also an atheist, issued this strong warning: 

“The God particle found by Cern could destroy the universe.”

Some people were quite disturbed and filled with fear after watching the above video because of the strange, paranormal things that were occurring there. (I must admit that I had a difficult time getting to sleep after watching this video for the first time late one evening last year).  However, we as Christians are not to fear. The following article will clearly show you how God is in total control –no matter what evil plans these scientists or anyone may be devising:

POP! GOES THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER –AND THE WEASEL

 

51) This article (which also has an amazing video) tells how scientists capture ‘fireworks’ during moment of conception:

 WND- STUNNING VIDEO: BRIGHT FLASH OF LIGHT WHEN LIFE BEGINS

 

IN CLOSING:

The bottom line is, as Christians we are all personally responsible for our own spiritual growth. If we are truly followers of Jesus Christ and not followers of any man (or woman) and their ministry, we will read and study God’s Word, examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said is true (Acts 17:11), and we will test all things against Scripture and hold fast to what is true. (1 Thessalonians 5:21,22)

If watching the following video doesn’t bring you to tears and to your knees in prayer, and make you realize that we are living in the last days, then I don’t know what will!

Caution! Some very disturbing images! However, what you will see will give you an idea of the demonic chaos that will take place during the seven year tribulation period as described in the book of Revelation. Please repent and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ before it’s too late!


We must also take a stand for Biblical truth and pray and ask God for the courage to speak out while there is still time. We need to earnestly contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints (Jude 3) and speak the truth in love in order to warn other Christians of the many spiritual deceptions taking place in the name of unity, love, and tolerance.

We also need to share the truth of God’s Word with those who have not yet heard the good news of the gospel so that they will hopefully choose to place their trust in Jesus Christ instead of relying upon their false religion, their good works, and their sincerity to be enough to get them into heaven.

There is a false unity forming before our eyes. Can you see it? The roads are all beginning to merge together so that we will all walk down the same path. There is the path of oneness that is achieved through mystical practices and meditation, which is presented to Christians in Spiritual Formation classes as Contemplative Prayer or silent prayer. Have you fallen prey for this simply because you trust those in leadership who presented these practices to you at your church?

There is a call for unity out of love for one another which calls for everyone to set aside those things that divide us; a call to tear down barriers based on doctrinal differences. But there can be no unity unless it is based on truth –Biblical truth.

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Christianity is exclusive. Not all paths lead to God. There is only one way, and Jesus Christ is the way. God’s Word is truth, and the words of men cannot be trusted.

 

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They would have you believe that at the end of this road of unity and oneness will be a rainbow, and the world will experience true peace, love, and happiness.

But the truth is there will be no peace until the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, returns and sets up His kingdom –without the help of man! Do not be deceived! Please read and study your Bible and pray for discernment and check into these things! God’s Word is clear:

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“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)

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Thank you very much for stopping by and taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Mary/Living4HisGlory

 

RELATED SCRIPTURES

“Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.”                               (1 Corinthians 15:33)

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:15-23)

“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” (1 Corinthians 5:9-13)

“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” (John 7:24)

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ (Matthew 7:13-20)

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.”     (1 Timothy 4:1)

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.” (1 Peter 5:8)

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15)

“But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.” (2 Peter 2:1)

“Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:26-31)

“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.  Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. (1 Corinthians 1:18-31)

“O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether. Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee. Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.” (Psalm 139:1-24)

“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel — which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:6-9)

“But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.” (2 Corinthians 11:3,4)


 

Some Scriptures are from the King James Bible and other Scriptures are from the Holy Bible, New International Version®.  Copyright© 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society.  Used by permission of Zondervan.  All rights reserved.



 

UPDATE:

As a reminder, I’ll be taking some time off so that I can focus on writing some very in depth posts in which I will be addressing some very important topics that have been weighing very heavily upon my heart over the past couple of years or so.

At the same time that I was seriously considering writing about these things, God brought some women across my path who requested that I write about the very thing that I am most deeply concerned about! This confirmed to me that I am to write about these things (which I will not be revealing to you at this time).

However, before I begin writing on that particular topic, the next post that I will be writing and sharing with you will be one in which I will be comparing the teachings found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church with God’s Word –the Bible. Because of the deep desire that I have to reach Catholics with the truth that is clearly presented in God’s Word, I will be quoting from an exact copy of the little Catholic New Testament Bible that I read back in 1980 (I gave my original copy to someone to give to her dying mother-in-law who was a Catholic). I was a Catholic for many years until God revealed the truth to me as I read that little Catholic New Testament Bible, so I am praying and believing that God will reveal the truth of His Word to many others who are presently Catholic who will read His Word, and to those Catholics who happen to come across my blog and read this upcoming post and others I have written in the past where the teachings of Catholicism are compared to the truth of God’s Word.  God’s Word will fill a Catholic with joy because it reveals what Jesus actually accomplished through His sinless life, His propitiatory sacrifice on the cross in our place for our sins, and His glorious resurrection from the dead on the third day! Sadly, Catholicism offers no assurance of salvation to Catholics. Instead they are given a  false hope by being told that they will go to a (non-existent) place called purgatory after they die where they will burn in fire for an unknown amount of time to pay for the temporal punishment due for sin.

If you are a Catholic, please consider checking back here from time to time to read this post when it’s finished (Lord willing, hopefully in June or possibly in July) so that you can see what your church actually teaches, and what God’s Word clearly says about these things. You will be faced with a difficult decision to make because you will have to choose between believing what God’s Word has to say, or believing the words of men. But it is a choice that will determine your eternal destination, that you can be sure of. So, dear Catholic, please be praying for God to reveal the truth to you, and pray also for the courage to respond to the truth shown to you through His Word. In the mean time I challenge you to read the Gospel of John and the Book of Romans and pray and ask God to open your eyes to see the truth, because reading God’s Word is truly all that you need in order to know the truth.

 

 

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Biblical Christianity is being replaced with a counterfeit spirituality where manifestations of evil spirits can clearly be seen. Here is an example of how important and truly necessary it is to pray for discernment and to test everything that is said and done by those in ministry against God’s Word. (Acts 17:11)

Heidi Baker calling down fire: ‘Heidi Baker’s Demonic Impartations’

As Roger Oakland documents in his presentation in the video below, the “spirit” which is manifesting in many churches today is not the Holy Spirit at all, but rather an unholy spirit:

 

 

 

 

 

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NEW AGE LEONARD SWEET – A CHAMELEON BLENDING IN AMONG CHRISTIANS – AND – CLEAR EVIDENCE FOR A LACK OF DISCERNMENT AMONG CHRISTIANS

 

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S.WALKER – REFLECTIONS FROM THE WALL – THE FRUIT OF BRIAN “HEAD” WELCH

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THE LAST HIKER – THE WHOSOEVERS – EVANGELISTS WITH UNSETTLING OCCULT IMAGERY

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Leonard  Sweet, the importance of testing the teachings of Christian leaders in light of Scripture, mysticism in the church, as well as the lack of spiritual discernment among many Christians today will all be focused on in this post. However, please allow me to begin this post by laying out the trail that led to Leonard Sweet, and made me clearly see the need to write this post:

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God’s Word declares that Satan comes as an angel of light, so is it any wonder that so many are being deceived by popular mystical teachings that are being presented to Christians these days claiming to draw them closer to God and to experience Him on this side of heaven? After all, those of us who are Christians long for the day when we will see Him face to face, so why not experience being in His presence and hearing Him speak to us now? If you have been led to believe that by listening to someone’s teaching, it is unbiblical and dangerous! When we begin to seek after having experiences with God and lose sight of the fact that God gave us His Word so that we might come to know Him, and how His Word warns us time and time again about false teachers and doctrines of demons, then we allow ourselves to become easily deceived by the many so-called Christian leaders who are promoting mysticism these days. Things such as Contemplative Prayer, Spiritual Formation, and silent prayer, are strongly being promoted by Christian leaders such as Rick Warren, Beth Moore, Tim Keller, Mindy Caliguire, and many others. They may attempt to cloak these practices with somewhat Christian terminology, but don’t be fooled; they are still unbiblical eastern practices that have their roots in Buddhism and Hinduism and will lead you away from Biblical Christianity and into spiritual deception and the occult.

Praying for spiritual discernment, knowing God’s Word well, testing things in light of Scripture, and searching for information on things that are presented to you that cause you to have uneasy feelings, are key to protecting yourself from being deceived spiritually. I highly recommend Lighthouse Trails, Herescope, Deception In The Church, as well as Apprising Ministries, but I still urge you to continue to test everything you read and listen to against the truth of God’s Word since, sadly, so many Christians are drifting from Biblical truth these days!

Let’s start out with a few examples so you can see how deceptive the language can be at times: To make a long story short, last month (June 2015) I decided to search Rick Warren’s Saddle Back Church’s website to see if he had anything to say concerning the legalization of same sex marriage that was voted into law on Friday, June 26, 2015, but when I found nothing on that topic I decided to check out the classes that they are offering. Below you will see a few examples of what I found:

Even though I cannot say with certainty that the term strengthening postures that they use in the following description of this ‘Stretch and Strengthen’ class is actually yoga, that term certainly sent up a big red flag and set off alarm bells in my spirit!

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I realize that some Christians enroll their children in Karate classes, and I may be stepping on some toes by using this Karate class as an example, but there is much more to Karate than just learning how to defend yourself and learning how to become more disciplined. When my brother enrolled in a Karate class they told everyone in his class to bring in a candle so that they could focus their attention on the flame, which is a New Age meditation technique.

If you’d like to read the detailed testimony of what caused a woman to walk away from a championship career in the Martial Arts, please click HERE.  

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The description for the following Stretch and Strengthen class gives the clearest indication that New Age/New Spirituality practices are most certainly being incorporated in many of Saddleback’s fitness classes. Terms such as “breathing techniques” and “guided relaxation” are used in the descriptions of these classes, which are the same techniques used in  New Age/New Spirituality classes that use similar terms such as “breathing techniques” and “guided imagery” to lead people into altered states of consciousness. And, once again, notice that the term “stretching and strengthening postures, is used:

Capture Daniel Plan Fitness - Stretch and Strengthen - strengthening postures, breathing techniques, guided relaxation - Sarah KeatingUPDATE: Because of a suggestion that was expressed in a comment from a helpful and thoughtful reader of this blog encouraging me on in my continued search for answers, I decided to set aside my main focus of searching for more information on Leonard Sweet. Instead, I decided to first search Facebook and Twitter to see if Lisa Odette, (the instructor of one of the Stretch and Strengthen classes) was on there. One thing led to another, and here is the information that I found on her that definitely gives enough evidence to clearly indicate and to now say with certainty that the classes offered by Saddleback with Lisa Odette as the instructor,  are indeed Yoga classes, no matter how they may try to disguise the language!

Capture Lisa Odette Saddleback studied Yoga - Holy yoga (no such thing)

Capture Lisa Odette - Saddleback

Capture Lisa Odette - Saddleback instructor for Stretch and Strengthen classes - Twitter with link to her website

Capture Lisa Odette - Sola Face and Body - Link found on her Twitter page

 Now I’d like to share some examples with you of how people are failing to test things in light of Scripture and therefore end up getting involved with those who are heavily into spiritual mysticism and unbiblical teachings. This is not meant to be an attack on the character of the people whom I will be speaking about, and I am not judging anyone in regards to their salvation. I am simply sharing this information with you just to, once again, point out the extreme importance for us to always test things that others say and do in light of Scripture, and how we should never promote anyone or anything without first deeply looking into their beliefs.  Also, I wanted to use this as an example to show why we are never to take anyone’s word on a matter or an endorsement of someone; we must always think for ourselves and do our own research to see if a person’s teaching lines up with God’s Word.

On with my examples:

In April of 2015 while I was on Facebook looking at what my friends had posted and ‘liked,’ I happened to see that a friend from my former church  (Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows) had clicked like on this post by Meredith Andrews. I decided not to quick capture the portion that included a picture of her two adorable boys:

Capture Meredith Andrews comment about being at a women's conference

Being the detective at heart that I am, I decided to check out her page to see what conference she took part in and discovered that it was ‘Fresh Grounded Faith.’ While I was on her page I saw the link to her website, and here is what else I discovered that will begin to make my point:

As you can see, Meredith took part in this women’s event along with Ann Voscamp:

Capture Meredith Andrews and Ann Voskamp - Fresh Grounded Faith Conference

If you have never heard of Ann Voscamp before, she is the author of the best selling Christian book, ‘One Thousand Gifts.’ In case you are not aware of the concerns that many Christians have with her book, I encourage you to continue reading the article below that I quick captured in part for you from Lighthouse Trails Research. If you decide to continue reading it, you will soon come to realize that she promotes unbiblical mysticism, as well as intimacy with God that is far from being Biblical. (For those of you who have requested that I post book reviews, you can consider this the first one).

Capture Ann Voscamp - One Thousand Gifts promotes mysticism and an unbiblical view of intimacy with GodTo continue reading, please click HERE
Capture Meredith Andrews - Picture with Ann VoscampMeredith Andrews (on the left) Ann Voscamp (on the right)

Capture Meredith Andrews retweeting Ann Voscamp's tweetA bond seems to be developing between Meredith and Ann V. because of the conferences they have been involved in together, so, in her enthusiasm and support of Ann V., Meredith retweets many of her tweets, thus endorsing Ann Voscamp in the eyes of the many who follow Meredith and love her beautiful, powerful voice that sings out praises to our God. But sometimes friendship has a way of blinding us to error, and can be deadly to us and to the many we influence in our lives. I would rather believe that Meredith is not aware of the unbiblical nature of Ann V.’s book, than to believe that she has read it and is in complete agreement with everything that’s in her book.

I also became very concerned when I happened to see that Meredith sent out these tweets dated Aug. 6th and Sept. 5th of 2014 promoting the ‘Holy Ghost‘ movie :

Capture Meredith Andrews promoting Holy Ghost movie

Capture Meredith Andrews promotes Holy Ghost movieNot only did she promote this movie with her tweets, but also she was considered to be one of this movie’s Thunderous Supporters:

Capture Meredith Andrews - Thunderous Supporter of Holy Ghost Movie(SOURCE) 

If you have not heard about the Holy Ghost Movie that came out in the Fall of 2014, it was totally unscripted. Those involved in producing this documentary film claim that it was “directed and led by the Holy Spirit.” (They prayed, asking the Holy Spirit to lead them to whomever they were supposed to talk to).  They talked and prayed with many people during this documentary. However, as you will hear from the information that is shared in the following set of videos reviewing this movie, after they tested what was  said and done in this documentary against Scripture, it was clear that the Biblical gospel was not preached, the Holy Spirit that was presented to these people was not the Holy Spirit, and the Jesus that they spoke of when talking with these people was not the true Jesus Christ as revealed in God’s Word. But first, here’s the trailer for the movie:

What these people unknowingly were presented with, was a mystical, new age form of prayer, as well as new age Reiki energy healing. The focus was on experiencing the “Holy Spirit,” but what they actually experienced were unbiblical occultic manifestations, as you will soon see and hear in these reviews. This is why it’s so very important for all of us as Christians to do our own research and never take anyone’s recommendation on what to see or read, etc. First we must always test the teachings of everyone in light of Scripture (Acts 17:11) so that we will not be deceived.

 

 

The release date for Holy Ghost Part  2 will be October 20th 2015, and is called Holy Ghost Reborn:

Capture Holy Ghost Reborn release date Oct 20th 2015

The following video trailer for this movie was just published on YouTube on July 14th 2015:

 

Here’s a Dove Family Friendly Movie Review of Holy Ghost Reborn:

Capture Holy Ghost Movie - Synopsis and review - Dove Family Friendly Movie ReviewSOURCE

The cast of this documentary should raise your level of concern. I haven’t had time to research all of them yet, but I highlighted the ones who I am already aware of and concerned about:

Capture Info on Holy Ghost Reborn movie - Starring Bill Johnson, etc.

If you aren’t aware of who the people are that I highlighted in the ‘quick capture’ above, here’s some information on them which I pray will open your eyes as to why you should be concerned. Please pray for discernment before you watch, and test what is said in light of Scripture:

Kim Walker Smith of Jesus CultureBethel Church, Redding CA:

 

Bill Johnson, Pastor of Bethel Church:

 

 

Banning Liebscher Director of Jesus Culture:

 

Now I will finally share with you how this trail ultimately led me to Leonard Sweet who I have been aware of since 2008:

Once again, simply using Meredith as an example to show you how all of us as Christians must deeply delve into the beliefs and teachings of everyone we choose to get involved with for our own sake, as well as for those we may have an influence on concerning who we associate with and endorse, I’d like to bring this to your attention:

Besides being a singer and song writer, Meredith Andrews is also a worship leader at Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows, and takes part in many Worship Leader Conferences. I came across this information on the National Worship Leader Conference:

Capture National Worship Leader Conference - picture of some of the speakers As you can see from the picture above, Leonard Sweet, who is a Christian author, ordained Methodist minister, and Dean of the Theological School at Drew University, is also one of speakers at this conference. If you’re  wondering why I’m drawing attention to the fact that Meredith Andrews is taking part in this Conference with Leonard Sweet, please read the following quotes from his book, entitled, ‘Quantum Spirituality.’ I think you will then begin to realize why:

“A surprisingly central feature of all the world’s religions is the language of light in communicating the divine and symbolizing the union of the human with the divine: Muhammed’s light-filled cave, Moses’ burning bush, Paul’s blinding light, Fox’s “inner light,” Krishna’s Lord of Light, Bohme’s light-filled cobbler shop, Plotinus’ fire experiences, Bodhisattvis with the flow of Kundalini’s fire erupting from their fontanelles, and so on. Light is the common thread that ties together near-death experiences as they occur in various cultures.” (Leonard Sweet Quantum Spirituality page 146)

“So far the church has refused to dip its toe into post-modern culture. A quantum spirituality challenges the church to bear its past and to dare its future by sticking its big TOE into the time and place of the present…Then, and only then, will the church not appear to be in a time capsule, sealed against new developments. Then, and only then, will a New Light movement of ‘world-making’ faith have helped to create the world that is to, and may yet, be. Then, and only then, will earthlings have uncovered the meaning of these words, some of the last words poet/activist/contemplative/ bridge between East and West Thomas Merton uttered: “We are already one. But we imagine that we are not. And what we have to recover is our original unity.” (Leonard Sweet, Quantum Spirituality page 10)

“Fourth, New Light embodiment means to be ‘in connection’ and ‘information’ with other faiths. To be in-formation means to know each others songs almost as well as one knows them oneself, and to enlarge the community to include those whose conceptions of God differ from ours in form. To be in connection means to be able to sing, not only selected stanzas, but all the verses” … “One can be a faithful disciple of Jesus Christ without denying the flickers of the sacred in followers of Yahweh, or Kali, or Krishna. A globalization of evangelism ‘in connection’ with others, and a globally ‘in-formed’ gospel, is capable of talking across the fence with Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Muslim –people from other so-called ‘new’ religious traditions (‘new’ only to us)–without assumption of superiority and power.” (Leonard Sweet Quantum Spirituality pages 129-130) (SOURCE) DECEPTION IN THE CHURCH – LEONARD SWEET QUOTES – SANDY SIMPSON

Once again, I am hoping that Meredith just doesn’t have any idea what Leonard Sweet’s beliefs are, which is why it is so very important for us as Christians to do research on those we are considering getting involved with or getting our teachings from so that we will not be led astray, and so that we will not cause anyone else to be led astray by who we choose to get involved with, and what or who we promote.

Hopefully after you are aware of the rest of the information that I will now be sharing with you concerning Leonard Sweet, you will then find the thought of her taking part in this conference with him very troubling, like I do:

Leonard Sweet has been a guest speaker at many churches and Christian Conferences, which gives him credibility in the eyes of many Christians. But it leaves many other Christians wondering as to why there is such a lack of discernment among Christians today that they could be totally unaware of the fact that Leonard Sweet not only endorses many New Age teachers, but also many of his teachings are rooted in New Age/New Spirituality teachings. Consider THIS article that I recently found in the Lighthouse Trails Research Newsletter dated April 7, 2008:

Concerning ‘small groups,’ Leonard Sweet had this to say in his book ‘Quantum Spirituality.’

“The power of small groups is in their ability to develop the discipline to get people “in-phase” with the Christ consciousness and connected with one another.” SOURCE

While I was doing more research on Leonard Sweet, I came across an 8 min. 29 second podcast of one of his messages on his website, entitled Vultures:

Reflecting on a book that he read entitled, ‘The Vultures of Africa‘ by Peter Mundy, he said:

“It’s sort of how everything is so interconnected. At least when I read it this is the thing that just came through.”

Concerning the Pope’s Encyclical, “Our Common Home,” he said:

“I like that so much…because the, the planet. This planet is our common home. Not just care for creation. It’s our common home. And we exist together on this. And we all have to learn to live together, not just humans got to live together. We got to learn to live together with all of…all of creation.”

“And we also have to understand that Jesus died…the redemption story is a story of redemption for all creation. Remember that, that covenant that God made with Noah?It was made with all creation. And that, that continues the redemption of that covenant, and the fulfillment of that covenant that takes place at Calvary is a redemption for all creation.” (Emphasis in red is mine).

From the 2 min 44second mark – 2:49 second mark, he says the following:

“Jesus didn’t just die to save souls; He died to save seals, as well as souls.” (Emphasis in red is mine).

Yes, Romans 8:21 and Colossians 1:20-22 does say:

For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.”

And how:

God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, (Jesus) and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through His blood, shed on the cross.”

However, if you come to understand all the teachings of Leonard Sweet, (as well as Brian McLaren, as you will see by the information below) you will realize he means much more than that.

At the very end of his message that focuses on “how connected everything is,” beginning at the 7:49 minute mark, he says: 

“It is our common home. We have to learn to live together. We have to learn to to give thanks and be good stewards…good trustees…of all that God has given us.”

“Praise be to God, for God’s unspeakable gifts. And the greatest gift, besides Jesus, this gift of the creation, that Jesus came to save. Len Sweet, here.” (SOURCE) (Emphasis in red is mine).

In the New Age/New Spirituality view of things, the focus begins on how everything is connected. The focus is on oneness and “oneness with everyone and everything.” The emphasis on oneness continues to grow until the final stages which leads a person to not only believe they can be one with God,” and that God is in each and every one of us,” but also these teachings attempt to lead a person to “believe in their own divinity.”

When time allows, please watch the videos that I posted for you below by Christian author and speaker, Warren B Smith who was once deeply involved in the New Age Movement, but now he speaks and writes on the subject to warn Christians of the many ways that these New Age teachings are now permeating many churches today. He also shares information on these new age concepts, as well as information on Leonard Sweet, Rick Warren, and many others in his presentation.

How is it that Christians are unaware of the New Age teachings of  Leonard Sweet and some other prominent Christian leaders and writers of today? Is it possible that since some Christians today lack spiritual discernment because they fail to test the teachings of popular Christian teachers in light of Scripture and that they are also unaware of what the teachings of the New Age Movement are, that they have simply blended these New Age teachings into Christianity without realizing it and have embraced unity in a way that Jesus never intended for us as Christians to do?

Wayne Shepherd, the announcer for James MacDonald’s ‘Walk In The Word’ program, did an interview with Leonard Sweet about his book, Nudge:

 

Here are some Leonard Sweet quotes ‘quick captured‘ from an excerpt taken from Tamara Hartzell’s excellent online book: “Reimagining” God: Turning the Light Off to Look for “Truth” in the Corner of a Dark Round Room”  

Capture The Energymatter Jesus - Article on Herescope BlogHERESCOPE (SOURCE) <–CLICK HERE TO CONTINUE READING

 

Here’s some important information concerning Leonard Sweet and his book NUDGE that I found on Lighthouse Trails Research and ‘quick captured’ for you:

Capture Nudge - Information I found on Lighthouse Trails(SOURCE)

On Tuesday, July 22, 2015, I happened to see the following tweet by Pulpit And Pen concerning what he had seen on Leonard Sweet’s website. I saw it as  perfect timing to be on Twitter at just the right moment, because the information that I found at the link he shared became quite helpful to continue on with my research for this post, as you will soon see:

 

Seeing his tweet made me realize that I should have taken more time investigating Leonard Sweet’s website the day that I found his podcast. So I clicked on the link and this is what I discovered:

Capture Leonard Sweet - SpiritVenture Ministries - 'sacred spaces'(SOURCE)

The term “sacred spaces” leaped out at me, because I learned  many years ago that the word sacred is used quite frequently when ‘Contemplative Prayer‘ is involved. But in my determination to try and finish this post I simply ‘quick captured‘ the above information and ended up completely missing what I would have seen if I had only taken one more minute to scroll down just a little further! When I saw some of the replies to Pulpit and Pen’s tweet, I went back to that page, and this is what I realized what they were all wondering about –and rightly so!!

Capture Leonard Sweet SpiritVentures - Advance Conversation Partners - Mark Driscoll, Brian MacLaren, Erwin McManus and moreSeeing the name Brian McLaren on that list was a huge red flag! (In a minute I’ll explain why, for those of you who aren’t aware of who he is). So was seeing Erwin McManus, Mark Batterson, and…Mark Driscoll! The only other person on that list that I was aware of is Margaret Feinberg. She is often a guest on Moody Radio’s ‘Midday Connection.’ (More on Moody Radio and Midday Connection in an upcoming post later on this year –Lord willing). And, by seeing Margaret Feinberg as well as the previously mentioned names, it led me to one highly probable conclusion on what they all seem to have in common which links them all together –Spiritual Formation, mysticism, Contemplative Prayer, Emerging/Emergent Church; these are all unbiblical forms of prayer and spirituality that are leading many Christians astray!

Here’s some information from seven years ago that I ‘quick captured’ for you from Lighthouse Trails which ties many of the ‘Advance Conversation Partners’ together, and gives evidence to their Contemplative Spirituality connections. As you can see, Mark Batterson, Erwin McManus, Margaret Feinberg, Leonard Sweet, Brian McLaren, and Sally Morgenthaler — some of the very same people who are involved in Leonard Sweet’s ADVANCE —  are all considered to be ‘Contemplative.’

Capture Contemplative Christians and Contemplative Conferences - Lighthouse Trails(SOURCE) CONTEMPLATIVE CHRISTIANS AND CONTEMPLATIVE CONFERENCES

In the following video you will hear Margaret Feinberg say:

“God often uses the repetitive nature of  events and themes in daily life to get our attention. I call these moments, ‘Sacred Echoes.” 

Notice how she also uses the word sacred:

 

In the video below, Margaret F. expounds on what she means by “Sacred Echo” by saying the following:

“What is a sacred echo? It is the persistent voice of God in your life.”

“And in my own life, while I want to hear the whispers of God, what I am discovering is that when I listen for the sacred echoes — when I listen for the repetitive nature of God’s voice in my life — then I walk more fully, and more confidently into all that He has for me.”

 

When you hear Christian leaders and speakers say things like that it should truly concern you, because it’s leading people away from the belief in the sufficiency of Scripture. Yes, Margaret F. does say in many of her videos that ‘what we hear must line up with what God’s Word says,‘ but the emphasis is no longer completely on hearing God speak to us through His written Word. Instead, people are now  encouraged to learn how to hear God speak by not only Margaret F., but also by Christian teachers such as Beth Moore, Priscilla Shirer, and many others. It then makes God’s Word appear to be outdated, and some will end up opening themselves up to doctrines of demons and demonic spirits through participating in these occultic practices and will end up being deceived spiritually. Never lose sight of the fact that we have the very words of God Himself recorded in sixty-six books of the Bible written by many different authors, but completely inspired by the Holy Spirit:

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16)

“Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” (2 Peter 1:20,21)

 

Lord willing, if time allows I’ll do research on the people that I am not familiar with to see if they are also involved with promoting Contemplative Prayer, Spiritual Formation, etc., and I will update this post so that I can share my findings with you.

As promised, here’s some information on Brian McLaren:

This concerns his ‘EVERYTHING MUST CHANGE’ conference, as well as his book of the same title, which will show you just how far from Biblical truth his beliefs really are!

Seven years ago I heard Eric Barger share the shocking things that he witnessed take place during Brian McLaren’s ‘Everthing Must Change’ Conference. Eric Barger goes into greater detail concerning what happened at this conference in the video below than you will read in the information I quick captured for you further down. When time allows, please listen. Keep in mind that Brian McLaren is a frequent speaker at Willowcreek Church in Barrington, Illinois, as well as a speaker at many other Christian churches, universities, and conferences. After you hear some of the things that took place at this conference, you will come to realize just how great the need is for discernment, and how important it is to study and truly know God’s Word so that we will not be deceived by teachers such as Brian McLaren! Please pray for him, as well as the many who are  involved in this Emergent Church movement, that they would come to the knowledge of the truth and stop compromising and twisting what God declares to be right and wrong in His Word.

As you can see from the  quick capture below, Brian McLaren clearly said that:

“…salvation is actually us saving the planet, and when Jesus used the phrase “the world,” He was referring to the earth and not the lost souls living on it.” 

“…he recommended that while we were there (my note: at the front of the conference area) we also stick our hands into the tub of dirt that had been provided to fully sense “what needed to be saved.” 

That ties in with what Leonard Sweet says — concerning his quotes that I shared with you earlier — in which he declared:

“The redemption story is a story of redemption for all creation.”

Jesus didn’t just die to save souls. He died to save seals as well as souls.”

“…and the greatest gift, besides Jesus, this gift of the creation, that Jesus came to save.”

Capture Eric Barger attended Brian McLaren's Everything Must Change conference - B M said salvation is us saving the planet(SOURCE)

More of the teachings of Brian McLaren:

 

In the following Playlist you will hear a three part message in which Brian McLaren will  use Deconstructionism in an attempt to justify changing Christianity into something entirely different. Notice how Brian McLaren begins by saying how everything changes over time and uses maps as an example. He sets people up to accept his idea about how the landscape is changing and maps need to change and be updated because “they don’t reflect reality any more.” He then uses that concept to try and lead people to accept how Christianity must also change to adapt to a changing culture. Listen very  carefully to all that he says, pray for discernment, and test what He says in light of Scripture. (In this Playlist I also added ‘A Critique of Brian McLaren’s ‘A New Kind of Christianity,’ as well as the  video that I posted earlier concerning what occurred at Brian McLaren’s  ‘Everything Must Change’ Conference).

 

Here’s a good article I found on the subject:

THE SECOND GREAT EVANGELICAL MELTDOWN – THE FALSE PICTURE – UNMASKING “POSTMODERNISM” – BY RICHARD NATHAN, M.A.

Now I’ll continue on with other things that I found during my times of research for this post:

The same day that I was looking at the conferences that Meredith Andrews was involved with, I also discovered that she will be singing at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church on Aug 13, 2015:

Capture Meredith Andrews Saddleback Church Aug, 13th 2015

If you read the description of the following video on YouTube, you will soon realize that August 13th won’t be Meredith’s first appearance at Saddleback. This video clearly shows that she started singing at Rick Warren’s church way back as early as June 28th, 2009 during their services:

If you are among the few who are still unaware of the concerns that many Christians have with Rick Warren, these videos will fill you in on most of what you need to know:

 

 

 

In my research I also found out that one of Meredith’s songs (The Gospel Changes Everything) was featured in Mark Burnett and Roma Downey’s the ‘Son of God‘ movie. She also took part in ‘The Bible: Son of God Tour‘ which started out at Saddleback Church and traveled to 17 cities from March 20th-April  13th of 2014:

“The two-hour live event, a joint partnership between Word Entertainment and Lightworkers Media (Mark Burnett and Roma Downey), brings the feature film, “Son of God” and epic mini-series The Bible” to life in sight and sound with award-winning artists…” (SOURCE)

If you happen to be wondering what the problem is with Meredith becoming involved with the “Son of God” tour, please consider reading one of my previous posts, entitled:  WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW IF YOUR PASTOR IS ONE OF THE MANY WHO IS PROMOTING A.D. THE BIBLE CONTINUES

7/31/15 IMPORTANT UPDATE: This morning while I was on Facebook I happened to see the following post that reveals the Premier Sponsors for the National Worship Leader Conference which featured Leonard Sweet was Greg Laurie and Harvest America. As you can see in the yellow highlighted area that I added to Mark Jeffries’ post, James Macdonald/Harvest Bible Chapel’s Vertical Church Band also appeared at this conference that took place at the Cathedral Of Faith in San Jose, CA on July 28-30, 2015:

Capture National Worship Leader Conference with Leonard Sweet, Vertical Church Band, sponsored by Greg Laurie and Harvest America

CLOSING THOUGHTS:

I hope that you are now beginning to see how very important it is to test the teachings of everyone you listen to in light of Scripture, as well as the need to pray for discernment and to be aware of the spiritually deceptive practices that are leading so many Christians astray.

Sadly, as many of us now realize, we live at a time where not all of us can trust our pastors or other Christian leaders because of the direction that many of them seem to be going in. Some pastors no longer believe in the inerrancy of Scripture, many are compromising with Biblical truth, some are embracing heretics, some are promoting Contemplative, mystical experiences, and there have even been some Christians very recently who have brought complete shame to the name of Jesus Christ by their lives or by denying their faith completely.

While there is still hope and forgiveness if they repent and turn to Jesus Christ with all of their hearts, as Christians we must learn that the only one who we must truly place our trust in is Jesus Christ Himself; we cannot rely on any man or ministry to learn truth. God’s Holy Spirit will be faithful to reveal the truth to us as we dig deeply into His Word to study it so that we can rightly divide the Word of truth for ourselves.

When time allows, please consider visiting  LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH WEBSITE , as well as HERESCOPE, as well as the other websites that I posted the links to below, so that you can  become aware of the many false teachings and false teachers that are popular today so that you will not be led astray by them. And, as always, make sure that you test everything against the truth of God’s Word. (Acts 17:11)

NOTE: A special thank you to those of you who take the time to make a comment. Whether it’s to encourage or to share helpful information, or even if it’s a comment that expresses your disagreement with what I write, or possibly even a comment that is negative or harsh in some way. All of you motivate me to dig deeper, and I end up finding even more information that I would never have found if it wasn’t for those of you who cause me to search deeper for one reason or another.

For this post, I want to personally thank Cindy Lopez for offering advice on what I could do to find more information on the instructor of the Stretch and Strengthen classes being offered at Saddleback in order to possibly verify if the classes offered at Saddleback are Yoga classes as they appear to be. I was trying to finish up this post by just focusing on finding and adding more information on Leonard Sweet, and wasn’t even intending to search for any further information concerning the classes. However, because of Cindy, I decided to continue on with my search on  the instructors of these classes which led me to find, and already post, enough information that I believe will clearly put an end to any doubts that anyone might have –the information that I found concerning the instructor of some of these classes gives enough evidence to demonstrate that the Stretch and Strengthen classes are indeed Yoga classes!

Lord willing, I will be addressing the dangers of Yoga in an upcoming post, since it seems that there are many Christians and other people who are not aware of the dangers of it, but I have other posts that I need to write first. Until then, if you are not aware of the dangers of Yoga, when time allows, please watch the video below in which Ray Yungen shares a lot of information on the dangers of Yoga.

Thank you for stopping by and taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

 

FURTHER READING:

SANDY SIMPSON – DECEPTION IN THE CHURCH – LEONARD SWEET QUOTES

LINK TO ARTICLE FOUND ON ‘DECEPTION IN THE CHURCH’ WEBSITE – ARTICLE POSTED ON ‘HERESCOPE’ – ‘THE “ENERGYMATTER JESUS” AN EXCERPT FROM TAMARA HARTZELL’S ONLINE BOOK, ENTITLED – “REIMAGINING” GOD: TURNING THE LIGHT OFF TO LOOK FOR “TRUTH” IN THE CORNER OF A DARK ROUND ROOM – THE NEW GOSPEL TAUGHT BY LEONARD SWEET

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH NEWSLETTER – RICK WARREN’S SMALL GROUP CONFERENCE SPEAKER SAYS SMALL GROUPS LEAD TO “CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS”

KEN SILVA – APPRISING MINISTRIES – GIVING LEONARD SWEET A NUDGE

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH – RICK WARREN AND LEONARD SWEET RIDING THE “TIDES OF CHANGE”

BY GRACE ALONE – PASTOR BOB DEWAAY – BOOK REVIEW ON ANN VOSCAMP’S ‘ONE THOUSAND GIFTS’

POINTING TO CHRIST – THE DANGEROUS TEACHINGS OF JESUS CULTURE

 

RELATED VIDEOS

 

 

 

 

 

Brian and Jen Johnson are the Senior Worship Pastors at Bethel Church in Redding California. Brian is the son of Bill Johnson, pastor of Bethel Church. Jen is also the song writer for Bethel music:

 

Here are some videos to help you become aware of the many ways that these New Age forms of mysticism are entering many churches today. Please watch when time allows:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VISIT THESE WEBSITES WHERE YOU CAN READ MANY ARTICLES TO KEEP YOU INFORMED ON WHAT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF (These are my favorite websites).

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH

HERESCOPE

ROGER OAKLAND – UNDERSTAND THE TIMES

WARREN B SMITH – FROM THE NEW AGE TO AMAZING GRACE

DECEPTION IN THE CHURCH

Lord willing, here are some of the books that I will be doing reviews on, and I also highly recommend them to you as books to read in order to become  informed concerning how New Age mysticism is coming into many churches these  days. Please send me your requests on what other books you would like to see reviews on.

 

Capture A Wonderful Deception - Warren B Smith - picture of book

 

Capture Deceived on Purpose - Warren B Smith - picture of book

Capture Faith Undone

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UPDATED 7/25/15 8:50 p.m. Added more information on Brian McLaren.

UPDATED 7/24/15 5:55 p.m. Added information that gives enough evidence to say with certainty that the Stretch and Strengthen classes offered at Saddleback Church is indeed Yoga.

UPDATED 7/24/15 9:56 a.m. Added more information concerning Leonard Sweet and his ‘Everything Must Change’ conference and what Eric Barger personally heard him say.

UPDATED: 7/23/15 10:53 p.m. Added more information concerning Leonard Sweet’s ‘ADVANCE,’  as well as information on some of the speakers participating with it, such as Brian McLaren and Margaret Feinberg.

UPDATED MONDAY 7/20/15 9:43 a.m. Added videos concerning Leonard Sweet and his unbiblical teachings.

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 In the video above, Roma Downey, who is known mostly for her role that she played as an angel named Monica in the series, ‘TOUCHED BY AN ANGEL’ which ran from September of 1994 until April of 2003, sent out a message to church leaders concerning the series that she and her husband, Mark Burnett produced, entitled, ‘A. D . The Bible Continues,’ which premiered on Easter Sunday 2015 on NBC.  She excitedly informs church leaders that,

“A. D. tells the epic story of the birth of the church…” “It stars the Holy Spirit. And it’s exciting that all the stories from Acts — Chapters 1 through 10 — are included in season 1.”

Here is more of her video message:

“We can’t wait to bring this beloved book of the Bible to life on prime time network television What a fantastic opportunity for your church to be a part of the national conversation and to go deeper with some of the resources provided by OUTREACH. So be sure to pick up the official A. D. church kit, and the official study and guide book…” “And as you make plans for a 12 week campaign in tandem with the series, please allow this trailer to inspire you and to give you vision on how you can use this in your church.”

Sounds pretty exciting, right? And, as Christians we should be excited to think that the book of Acts will be presented on prime time television so that many who have never even read the Bible can see the amazing things that happened after the Holy Spirit filled the apostles with boldness to preach the gospel fearlessly! What a contrast to how they had been hiding in fear behind locked doors as John 20:19 reveals to us!

All these pastors are excited about ‘A. D. The Bible Continues,’ as you can see from their tweets and endorsements below:

 

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Soon after I found out about this new series, I came across THIS ARTICLE by Stand Up For The Truth, which is entitled, ‘A. D. WILL YOUR CHURCH BE BUYING THE ROMA DOWNEY SERMON KIT?’ I knew that my new pastor was not promoting ‘A. D. Bible Continues,’ and I was truly hoping that my former pastor, James MacDonald, of Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows was not one of the many who were endorsing these programs. But sadly, as you can see from what I soon discovered, he was also highly endorsing them:

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Right now some of you are probably asking,

“So, what’s the problem?”

Well, to answer those of you who may have that question, I am presenting you with a lot of information to make you all realize, once again, the extreme importance of praying for discernment and the need for us always to test not only the things that people say and do who claim to speak for God against the truth of His Word, but also the importance of testing what we read and hear against the truth of God’s Word. We can’t just accept something wholeheartedly based on the fact that our pastor, or a certain teacher who might be highly respected by many, may be promoting something or someone.

Above is a two part video presentation of the article that I originally saw posted on LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH which was written by Gregory Reid, entitled: CONFUSED BY AN ANGEL: THE DILEMMA OF ROMA DOWNEY’S NEW AGE BELIEFS, Here is just a little of what you will discover about Roma Downey if you watch the video or read the article:

1) Roma Downey is a devout Roman Catholic who prays to Mary.

2)Roma Downey graduated from USM, University of Santa Monica, which is a New Age Metaphysical school.

3)Roma Downey endorsed a New Age book, entitled, ‘Loyalty to Your Soul.’ Here are two excerpts from the book:

“When people speak of spirituality, they simply mean awareness of the sacred reality of the Divine Essence within and beyond all creation. (Page 8 quoting favorably a New Age “spiritual teacher”)

“You begin to recognize others as Divine Beings, and the situations and circumstances in life as learning devices.” (Page 31)

I encourage you to watch the two part video series above or read the article at the link above so that you can learn many even more alarming things concerning Roma Downey. I also ask you to please pray for Roma, as well as for her husband, Mark Burnett, that they might both come to the knowledge of true Biblical Christianity and who Jesus Christ truly is as God’s Word reveals Him to be.

I am saddened and shocked to see the lack of Biblical discernment among prominent pastors and teachers these days! I realize that many pastors are overloaded with responsibilities, but that is no excuse for them to endorse something without testing it against the truth of God’s Word.

Even more frightening is the thought that many pastors who are endorsing these programs fail to see the problems with what is being presented in these programs!  They have the responsibility to ‘earnestly contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints,’ (Jude 3) and to ‘keep watch over themselves and all the flock of God of which the Holy Spirit has made them overseers.’ (Acts 20:28) As teachers they are even more accountable to God! (James 3:1)

Thankfully there are many godly pastors and teachers and other Christians who do see the serious problems in these programs!   Here are some of their reviews of ‘A. D. The Bible Continues.’

The following ones were written by researcher and writer, Avery Foley:

FIRST EPISODE  – THE TOMB IS OPEN – KEN HAM – ANSWERS IN GENESIS

SECOND EPISODE – THE BODY IS GONE – KEN HAM – ANSWERS IN GENESIS

THIRD EPISODE – THE SPIRIT ARRIVES – KEN HAM – ANSWERS IN GENESIS

FOURTH EPISODE – THE WRATH – KEN HAM – ANSWERS IN GENESIS

FIFTH EPISODE – THE FIRST MARTYR – KEN HAM – ANSWERS IN GENESIS

SIXTH EPISODE – THE PERSECUTION – KEN HAM – ANSWERS IN GENESIS

SEVENTH EPISODE – THE VISIT – KEN HAM – ANSWERS IN GENESIS

EIGHTH EPISODE ‘ROAD TO DAMASCUS – KEN HAM _ ANSWERS IN GENESIS

NINTH EPISODE – SAUL’S RETURN-KEN HAM – ANSWERS IN GENESIS

TENTH EPISODE – BROTHERS IN ARMS – KEN HAM – ANSWERS IN GENESIS

ELEVENTH EPISODE – RISE UP’ KEN HAM – ANSWERS IN GENESIS

 

A REVIEW WRITTEN BY SUNNY SHELL, who writes on – ‘ABANDONED TO CHRIST’

‘A.D.’ THE HERESY CONTINUES

PODCAST- PASTOR RANDY WHITE ON ‘STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH’  – AN EXCELLENT DISCUSSION CONCERNING ‘A. D. THE BIBLE CONTINUES’

WHERE IS OUR DISCERNMENT

I saw the need to write this post to, once again, stress the importance for all of us who are Christians to follow Jesus Christ alone. We as Christians must think for ourselves and not accept anyone’s endorsement of another pastor or teacher, or a program, book, movie, etc., without checking everything out for ourselves first and praying for discernment as we test everything in light of Scripture.

What a person believes will have a strong influence on what they write and produce. Yes, we much leave room for artistic license, but if you take the time to read all the reviews and articles, and watch the videos that I posted below for you, you will come to the realization, along with many other Christians, that Roma Downey and her husband, Mark Burnett, are presenting another Jesus and another gospel; a Jesus and a gospel that easily appeals to all religious faiths –except for true Biblical Christianity in many respects.

As Christians, we can, however, watch programs like these and use them as opportunities to not only become Bereans by testing the content against the truth of God’s Word to see if what is being said is true (Acts 17:11), but also we can use them as opportunities to  begin conversations with other people who are watching these programs. Whether they are unbelievers, or Christians who have not come to realize the importance of reading and studying God’s Word on a regular basis and therefore lack the discernment necessary to know truth from error, we can simply begin by asking people if they watch these programs, and, if they do, we can ask them to share their thoughts with us about them. Then, if we discover that they truly enjoyed these programs and they don’t express any concerns about what important things were  missing, and what was added that caused them to be concerned, then we will know that we need to pray for God to give us wisdom on how to respond to their comments. With humility and gentleness we can then begin by pointing out some of the truths and amazing things that are in Scripture that we noticed were missing from what was portrayed in each episode, as well as the problematic things that were added that could lead people away from having a true understanding of who Jesus Christ is and what the good news of the gospel is, as well.

I hope you are learning — along with me — the importance of not only thinking for yourself and searching things out, but also the extreme importance of testing everything against the truth of God’s Word so that you will never be deceived.

Thank you for stopping by, and thank you very much for taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

RELATED SCRIPTURES

“Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” (Acts 17:11)

“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”    (2 Corinthians 11:3,4)

“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel — which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned.” (Galatians 1:6-9)

“Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and days with tears.”                    (Acts 20:25-31)

“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:13,14)

“Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.” (1 Timothy 4:16)

“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.” (1 Timothy 4:1)

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.  In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke, and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn and turn aside to myths.” (2 Timothy 3:16 – 4:1-4)

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MOVIE REVIEW: ‘SON OF GOD’ IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT THE SON OF GOD – SUNNY SHELL

FROM THE FRYING PAN INTO THE FIRE: WOMEN OF FAITH PARTNERS WITH NEW AGE ADVOCATE ROMA DOWNEY – LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH

LETTER TO THE EDITOR: “AWAKENING AMERICA ALLIANCE” BRINGS SBC PRESIDENT RONNIE FLOYD TOGETHER WITH NEW AGE ROMA DOWNEY- LIGHHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH

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Capture I the LORD do not changeIf there’s one thing we can rely on these days in spite of the fact that our world is changing so drastically, it’s the ‘unchanging’ nature of God and the ‘unchanging’ truth of God’s Word –the Bible (though I must add that ‘The Message’ and ‘The Voice’ translations are excluded as being ‘God’s Word’ because of the ‘new age’ terminology and the distortions of Scriptures presented in these versions). 

Sadly, however, many of us who are true Christians — born of the Spirit of God —  are also seeing many of our once strong and committed pastors and teachers beginning to change, as well.  And these changes are not for the better!  Instead of a pastor focusing on the importance of his role to ‘preach the Word’ of God and to ‘equip the saints’ and trust God to grow the church as He has always been faithful to do in the past, they have been led into falling for worldly strategies of growing the church by non-Christians such as Peter Drucker.  Rather than ‘contending for the faith’ they now are not only uniting with some pastors and teachers  (who many have serious concerns about)  at conferences, but also they are placing some of these ‘pastors’ in their own pulpits! 

Some are even involving themselves with unbiblical, and even demonic, mystical, spiritual practices such as ‘breath prayers,’ ‘contemplative prayer,’ ‘visualization techniques,’ –occultic practices often cloaked in Christian terminology claiming to allow the ‘Christian’ to ‘hear from God‘ or to ‘connect with God on a deeper, more intimate level.’  (Much more on this in an upcoming post —Lord willing).  God’s Word is no longer seen as the way to hear from God…now it’s all about ‘experiences.’  But to those who are not cautious and who fail to continually test things in light of Scripture, these techniques will lure them in and lead them astray.

How could it be that so many pastors and teachers are going astray?  Is it for the love of money, position, or power?  A ‘mid-life crisis’ maybe? What sin is at the root of all these serious changes we are seeing? 

Is it pride that has caused many of them to close their ears to not only the pleadings of their people to disassociate with certain pastors, but also to the legitimate and serious concerns their people are expressing to them?

God’s Word gives us a picture of the condition  that this world will be in before the return of Christ, as well as Scriptures that give an alarmingly accurate picture of ‘Christianity’ today.  Here are just a few of them:

“For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.” (Luke 21:10,11)

“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of His coming?  For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” (2 Peter 3:3,4)

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there be a falling away first…”  (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.”         (1 Timothy 4:1)

**UPDATED MON. 2-17-14 6:20p.m.** May I suggest to you that the reason many of us are seeing pastors and teachers who once strongly stood for Biblical truth without wavering, is because many are choosing to  –compromise.  Take for instance, Pastor Greg Laurie.  When he preached a sermon he always gave a clear gospel presentation complete with making each listener understand they must be willing to repent; to turn from sin and follow Christ, and I believe he still does.  However, there are other things Greg Laurie is doing that gives many of us valid reasons to be concerned.  I’ll share one example with you that I found out from speaking to a person I met on the Internet who left Greg Laurie’s church.  This person told me at the end of 2012 that they “saw signs of spiritual formation in junior high and up.” 

If you are not aware of what Spiritual Formation is, I highly recommend this article (and all the articles) by Pastor Gary Gilley SPIRITUAL FORMATION

Below is a portion of that article that explains the philosophy of Spiritual Formation:

“The Spiritual Formation Movement is concerned more about individual experience than biblical knowledge or truth.  This does not mean that adherents are totally uninterested in the Bible, and some would know it well.  But the emphasis is on what a person experiences through the Bible more so than what they learn.  Contemplatives, such as Dallas Willard and Richard Foster, will strongly encourage Bible reading and prayer but they mean something different from what most Christians mean when they reference the same terms.  As we will see in future articles, contemplative prayer is not the same as prayer defined biblically; “sacred reading” (also called “lectio divina” of Scripture is not the same as Bible study; meditation (mystically encountering God) is not the same as knowing God and so forth.  Many of the same terms are used, but as the classical liberals, and the more recent emergents, are fond of doing, they take our terms, including biblical ones, and give them new definitions and twists.” 

Now back to what I was saying about Greg Laurie: When I first became a Christian and didn’t yet have a full-time job, I would eagerly get up early every morning to hear him preach on the radio instead of sleeping for an extra hour or so.  Never did I think the day would come when he would give in to compromise!  However…one day when I got up in the morning and turned on my computer, I saw the following video on YouTube:

Here is the late Pastor Chuck Smith (who sadly, also gave in to compromise) introducing Rick Warren as his “good friend” at —Greg Laurie’s Harvest Crusade in 2009:

For those of you who are still unaware of the serious concerns that many of us have with Rick Warren, I urge you to watch this video that I added to many of my other posts, as well, because of the detailed and very important information this video contains on Rick Warren:

**ADDED 2-17-14** And then there’s Francis Chan.  I never heard of him before until my former pastor, James MacDonald, recommended his book ‘Crazy Love‘ one Sunday during his sermon.  I did a ‘search’ on him that day to find out who he was, and at first he just seemed like a very humble man who desired to wholeheartedly seek after God and live an extremely simple life in order to give to the poor.  However, as time went on he began to get involved in promoting the unbiblical practice of  ‘Lectio Divina‘ along with Lecrae, Beth Moore, Louie Giglio, and John Piper at the Passion 2012 Conference.  After reading portions of Ephesians, each speaker would stop and say things like this: 

Beth Moore: “Without any comment, please, let’s pause and be still and ask Jesus to speak His Word to us.”  Let’s pause, be still, and let God’s Word speak to us.” 

Lecrae: “Pause, reflect, and hear from the Lord.” 

John Piper: “Let’s be quiet and ask the Lord to speak.” 

You can’t see it in the video above, but at this conference they had a banner in the background that said “Jesus, speak to me.”  In my search to document that for you, I came across the following, thanks to Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries:

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Didn’t God’s Word already speak to them? They just read the whole book of Ephesians out loud, so for them to say to “Be still, and let God’s Word speak” seems to imply they are desiring to hear more than what can be learned by examining the passage of Scripture in context to see what God already said to us through His Word in this particular book, this one being Ephesians. Though God may speak to someone on extremely rare occasions, they are presenting this as a normative practice to be embraced by all Christians.  Everything God wants us to know has already been recorded in His Word, the Bible, and Jesus was God’s final Word to us:

“In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom also He made the universe.  The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word.” (Hebrews 1:1-3a)

Also, I had heard that there were some who attended Passion 2012 who left there doubting their salvation because they didn’t hear Jesus personally speak to them.  It was mainly because of what Louie Giglio said to them at this conference.  Once again, in my search to find what Louie Giglio actually said so I could share it with you, I found that on the same post by Ken Silva.  These are the words of Louie Giglio at the close of session 5:

“How many of you heard the voice of God speak specifically, clearly, directly, and personally, to you? Can you just put a hand up?  I’d like you to share it.  Can you put a hand up for a minute? 

Just want you to look around; that’s people saying, “God Almighty (pause) the Maker of heaven (pause) the one Who’s sitting on the only throne (pause) that’s not under threat (long pause, audience cheers) –He spoke to me. He spoke to me.”

“God spoke to me.”  (long pause)  Don’t let the voice of the darkness, tell you that you are not (pause) worth (pause) that God would not speak to you.  (pause)  Don’t let him tell you, you don’t matter.  (pause) God spoke to you.” (SOURCE) Apprising Ministries

Then, to make matters even worse, on December 30, 2013, Francis Chan chose to take part in an event at IHOP (International House Of Prayer), where he openly praised its leader, Mike Bickle, thus giving credibility to Mike Bickle and IHOP.  If you are not aware of the unbiblical teachings of Mike Bickle, as well as the unscriptural manifestations and even deadly things that have taken place within this movement, I strongly urge you to watch this video and read the articles below it:

ARTICLE: LOVE AND DEATH IN THE INTERNATIONAL HOUSE OF PRAYER

**UPDATED 2-19-14** EXCELLENT AND THOROUGH ARTICLE FROM THE HERESCOPE BLOG: THE PASSION OF THE PRESENCE

When we as Christians — especially pastors — consider getting involved with another pastor, teacher, or a movement claiming to be ‘Christian,’ we have the God-given responsibility of testing everything in light of Scripture (Acts 17:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22) and we also  need to seriously consider the warnings of those who know more than we may know about a certain person or movement, and check it out before choosing to get involved.  But sadly, as you can hear in the very beginning of the video I posted above, Francis Chan ignored the warnings he received and chose to publicly proclaim to those in attendance at that IHOP event,  the following:

“This is the first time I’ve ever been to an IHOP event.  Which is..it’s kinda crazy to me because I didn’t know that much, and, you know, so I kinda went on the Internet and started looking things up  and, I go ‘man there’s a lot of great things going on here. ‘ And today’s was the first time I ever met Mike Bickle, and, I love that guy.  I do.

There’s people that told me not to…hang out with him.  Like, you know, you know, words like creepy come up and yet I get to know this guy and I’m going,  “Man I love his heart.”  And I just want to publicly say, I love Mike Bickle.”

Then there’s Mega-pastors, Steven Furtick  of Elevation Church in Charlotte N. Carolina, and Perry Noble of Newspring Church in S. Carolina.  Both of whom my former pator, James MacDonald, is  deeply involved with.  I’ll start with Steven Furtick.

INFORMATION CONCERNING STEVEN FURTICK: 

As I shared with you in my >WARNING YOU WITH TEARS< post, Steven Furtick took James MacDonald’s place in the pulpit on August 14, 2011 when James was on his summer break.  Steven Furtick was also one of the pastors who took part in the ‘Elephant Room Conference,’  an idea that James MacDonald had that could have turned into something good, but instead ended in disaster.  (You can also read about that on the previously mentioned post).  I had never heard of Steven Furtick before all of that took place, so I cannot comment on how he was when he first started out, but I can share with you what is presently happening that many find rather disturbing.  Below is something I again found posted by someone on Twitter.  You can find this posted on Elevation Church’s Website.  Read all the points below and see if you find some of their reasons just a little bit disturbing as many other people do –including me:

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Just now (1:47p.m. 2-19-14) I found the above picture through a tweet on Twitter by Stand Up For The Truth.’  This is an illustration from a coloring book at ‘Elevation Church‘ called ‘The Code,’ in which it appears that at a very early age, the children — along with the adults at ‘Elevation Church‘ — are learning that:

Elevation Church is built on the vision God gave Pastor Steven.”  And that Elevation Churchwill protect our unity in supporting his vision.”  

I don’t know about you, but I find this rather creepy and downright disturbing!  SOURCE

There’s so much information coming out on Twitter concerning Steven Furtick and Elevation Church that I’m finding it hard to keep up!  Here’s something else for you to take a close look at; ‘The Code‘ for Elevation Kidz that Steven Furtick wants them all to learn:

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(SOURCE) FOUND IN TWEET POSTED BY CHRIS ROSEBROUGH

1. We are a generation of honor

2. We act in audacious faith

3.We eat the fish and leave the bones

4. We are known for what we are for

5. We lead the way in generosity

Don’t you find it rather concerning that Jesus isn’t even mentioned in the Kidz Code?

STEVEN FURTICK ADDRESSING ELEVATION CHILDREN TO LEARN ‘THE CODE’

Just searched YouTube and found this precious little girl, Isabella, who seems to know ‘the code’ quite well:

Please pray for the children and families at Elevation Church.  One can only hope and pray that the children at ‘Elevation‘ are learning that our lives should be built upon Christ and His Word as our solid foundation!  (Matthew 7:24-27) (1 Corinthians 3:10,11)  Somehow by all this new information, I am finding it very hard to believe, because the focus clearly is more on Steven Furtick and Elevation Church rather than on Jesus Christ and His Word.

Here are two more“creepy,” things that I heard concerning Steven Furtick and Elevation Church while listening to Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith:

IN THE VIDEO BELOW, CHRIS ROSEBROUGH DISCUSSES ‘VISION CASTING’ WITH ‘ISSUES, ETC.’S,TODD WILKEN.  AT THE 29:10 MARK YOU WILL HEAR THE ‘CREEPY’ CODE FOR STEVEN FURTICK’S, ELEVATION CHURCH, AT 43:10 MINUTE MARK YOU WILL HEAR JAMES MACDONALD SPEAKING TO A GROUP OF PASTORS ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE ‘DIVISIVE’ MAN, AND  AT THE 45:45 MINUTE MARK YOU WILL HEAR WHAT MARK DRISCOLL HAS TO SAY CONCERNING THOSE WHO WILL OPPOSE THE ‘VISION’ OF MARS HILL CHURCH.  NOTE THE EVIL IN HIS VOICE AS HE SPEAKS.  THOUGH I FIND ALL OF THESE CLIPS DISTURBING, MARK DRISCOLL’S CLIP IS THE MOST DISTURBING AND CLEARLY HIS ATTITUDE DOES NOT REFLECT CHRIST AT ALL!

CLICK BELOW TO LISTEN TO CHRIS ROSEBROUGH’S DEC. 16th 2013 PROGRAM:

>>STEVEN FURTICK’S CREEEEEEEPY COMEDY<<

At the links below, you will read about some more disturbing information concerning Steven Furtick and Elevation Church that I also found today on Twitter.  More and more we are seeing manipulative tactics being used on people who attend mega-churches in order to bring about the results that only God can produce in a person’s heart.  Clearly and sadly, many ‘pastors’ today view the church simply as an organization or corporation, and they are using the strategies of men to produce growth and results.  May God bring all who participate in things similar to this to true repentance, for they will stand before a Holy God one day and give an account for all they have done and their motives for doing so, as will each and every one of us have to do. (1 Corinthians 3:12-16)

MORE REASONS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT STEVEN FURTICK:

HOW ELEVATION CHURCH PASTOR FURTICK PRODUCE SPONTANEOUS BAPTISM – BY STUART WATSON<

HOW STEVEN FURTICK ENGINEERED A SPONTANEOUS MIRACLE – BY JAMES DUNCAN OF ‘PAJAMA PAGES’ BLOG

I must admit that over the 14 1/2 years that I attended Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows, Pastor James would frequently have ‘spontaneous baptisms’ as Steven Furtick does at Elevation Church.  Sadly, it wouldn’t surprise me if the same manipulative tactics that are clearly used at Elevation Church are also used at Harvest Bible Chapel.

AT THE 45 MINUTE MARK AT THE LINK BELOW, CHRIS ROSEBROUGH POINTS OUT THE SERIOUS AND EVEN BLASPHEMOUS THINGS STEVEN FURTICK SAYS IN AN INTERVIEW WITH SANDY KRAKOWSKI CONCERNING HIS NEW BOOK, ‘CRASH THE CHATTERBOX’

CHRIS ROSEBROUGH — FURTICK’S CHATTERBOX BLASPHEMY

STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH PODCAST – WHEN DOES A CHURCH CROSS INTO A CULT

**UPDATED 3-4-14** FINAL POINT WHY YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT STEVEN FURTICK:

Last year at the ‘Holy Trinity Brompton  Leadership Conference,’ Steven Furtick said the following starting @4:15:

“I feel real strongly what God put in me to give to you tonight…”  “So I want to share with you…tonight from the Old Testament book of 2 Kings, and I want to share with you about a transitional moment in the life of Elisha the prophet.  And if you’ll stay with me in this sermon…I don’t know that you’ll take a lot of notes…usually when I come to a conference like this by this point I feel like I cannot write another thing…I have a notebook full of ideas, and…I feel like I don’t need another piece of information at this point.  So with that in mind, I thought I would get a little bit beyond the information realm, and…maybe we can move together tonight into a time of impartation (someone cheers at this point) and then maybe together we can see if  God would bring us into a… an encounter  with Him before we leave this place that…will change us and change our world.” (applause) SOURCE

In case you’re wondering why what Steven Furtick said should be very concerning, and in case you’re not aware of what ‘a time of impartation’ is to many leaders in the Charismatic Movement, please consider watching the following videos I posted below.  Briefly I will just say that since 1990 Nicky Gumbel has been the leader of the Alpha Course, and Holy Trinity Brompton Church is known for their promotion of the ‘Toronto Blessing‘ which includes ‘manifestations of animal noises,’ people being ‘slain in the spirit,’people acting ‘drunk in the spirit‘, and many other unbiblical manifestations as you will see in the second video that I posted below.

BENNY HINN HAVING A TIME OF IMPARTATION:

SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY BY ANDREW STROM:

ALPHA –  ATTEND OR AVOID – CECIL ANDREWS – PART 1 OF 2

Is it possible that Steven Furtick has gotten involved with these types of manifestations since he has become involved with Nicky Gumbel?  I am only speculating at this point, but it really makes you wonder why he used the term ‘a time of impartation‘ instead of ‘a time of prayer.’

**UPDATED 2-20-14** INFORMATION CONCERNING PERRY NOBLE:

Just as with Steven Furtick, I never heard of Perry Noble until information came out concerning the first ‘Elephant Room Conference‘ in which he took part in along with Steven Furtick and others.  As many in the ‘Church Growth Movement‘ do, Perry Noble chooses to use worldly methods to appeal to unbelievers in order to bring them into the church.  And in April of 2009 he chose to play AC DC’s song, ‘Highway To Hell‘ at his Easter Service at Newspring Church.  His reason for doing so, however, does not line up with what he declared during the ‘Elephant Room Conference.’  In the video below you will hear not only a short clip from ‘The Elephant Room Conference‘  in which Perry Noble explains his reason for doing so, but also you will hear him explain to his whole church congregation the reason why he played ‘Highway to Hell‘ for his Easter service.  His reason seems quite clear by what he says, but ultimately God will be the one who will judge his motives:

After listening to what he says in the video above, I encourage you to listen to the entire segment that took place during the Elephant Room Conference at the first link below where you can hear James MacDonald, Mark Driscoll, and Perry Noble discuss his decision to play that song in church:

SHOULD CHURCH LEADERS PLAY “HIGHWAY TO HELL” TO REACH UNBELIEVERS – CHURCHLEADERS WEBSITE

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**UPDATED 2-28-14** INFORMATION CONCERNING JAMES MACDONALD:

Then there’s my former pastor, James MacDonald of Harvest Bible Chapel, Rolling Meadows, whom I deeply appreciated because of his strong stand for Biblical truth and how he would preach God’s Word without apology.  After leaving my former Assembly of God Church of 16 years because the leadership was beginning to get involved with the ‘Pensacola revival,’ I was finally beginning to trust a pastor again, and felt assured that James would be a pastor who would never give in to compromise.  However, as many of us now know, sadly he did begin to change.  If I had to pinpoint exactly when he started to change, I can say without a doubt it was right after he came back from staying with Greg Laurie when he was having his cancer treatments.  And by reading some comments on The Elephant’s Debt and comments on some of the posts on Blood Stained Ink, I know that many other people who used to attend HBCRM (and some who still attend) have come to that same realization.  Whether Greg Laurie influenced him in some way, or someone else did, it was obvious to many of us that he was no longer the same James MacDonald that we once knew and looked forward to hearing when he preached almost every Saturday evening and Sunday morning.  He changed so much that one morning as I heard him preaching I actually had these thoughts: 

“Who are you, and where is the real James MacDonald?  Did someone clone him and replace the real James with his clone?” 

One day when I was doing a ‘search’ on the Internet, I came across the following article which made me laugh:

CAREFULLY SCRIPTED ELEPHANT AVOIDANCE — E R SAGA (PART 3) — BY CAMERON BUETTEL

It was rather comforting knowing now that I wasn’t the only one who had some outlandish thoughts about James because the changes in him were so obvious and rather concerning!  In the article above which was written on February 10th 2012, Cameron Buettel said the following:

“It would seem that my theory about the real James MacDonald being abducted by aliens some time last year is not as far fetched as my doubters first thought.  Of the multitudes of weird things James MacDonald has done over the last year or so, perhaps the most alarming was his invitation to TD Jakes to attend his Elephant Room Conference where “brothers” discuss their methodological differences.” (SOURCE)

Yes, Cameron, I am in total agreement!  And  because of what happen that night concerning T D Jakes   —  as I explained in detail in my WARNING YOU WITH TEARS post — I did not return to Harvest Bible Chapel, Rolling Meadows — my church of over 14 1/2 years — ever again.

**UPDATED 2-27-14** As previously mentioned, James came up with the idea of the ‘Elephant Room Conference.’  We then began to see James form a close bond (or should I say they formed a “tribe,” as they referred to it in these ‘Elephant Room’ conferences) with pastors that many of us have valid concerns about: Mark Driscoll, Steven Furtick, Perry Noble…and then in ER2 there was T D Jakes –a known Modalist.  An idea that could have been amazing if James would have firmly, but lovingly held each pastor accountable to God’s Word and challenged them in certain areas where they were compromising, sadly ER2 ended in disaster because of how TDJakes was basically declared as having embraced the Biblical understanding of the Trinity, when it was obvious to many Biblical scholars who examined all that he had said that night that he was still using the language of a Modalist.  (Please consider listening to the many videos I added on my ‘Warning You With Tears’ post that examine all that T D Jakes said at ‘ER2’ in light of Scripture and in light of how one who does not believe in the Doctrine of the Trinity describes God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit). And even though James did stand his ground concerning Perry Noble’s idea of playing ‘Highway To Hell’ and constantly and firmly said it “was a bad idea,” and said,  “”I just don’t get it at all,”  and “The message of ‘Highway To Hell’ is blatantly offensive,” if you listen to the link I posted above — ‘Should Church Leaders Play ‘Highway To Hell’ To Reach Unbelievers,’ —  after James continued to listen to Perry Noble justify his reasons for playing it, near the end you will sadly hear James suddenly begin to change his once firm stand on his strong opposition to it.  Towards the end of the video after listening to Perry Noble constantly defend his decision to play ‘HTH’, he asks Matt Chandler if he would play ‘HTH’ in his church, and then James says the following: 

“He’s really making me think.  I gotta say that.  I mean he’s really making me think… he has a strategy, it’s thought through…he believes it honors God, he doesn’t think he’s compromising in any way.” Like he is on it with a passion, and a reason, and defending it –toe to toe.” …”He’s thought it through very carefully” 

After Matt Chandler expresses concern about the possibility that pastors may fly into license; all things are permissible,’ James says:

“To me personally I would never allow something that so defames the glory of God and the reputation of Jesus.  I would not allow it in my service.  Unclean!  I would not allow it.” 

Concerning Perry Noble’s decision to play ‘Highway To Hell,’ Mark Driscoll asked James: 

“…do you think it was a sin against God?” 

James replied:

“…I don’t doubt his motives and I definitely don’t think it was sin for him to do it…” 

“Here’s my thought on the subject for what it’s worth:  I’m already being instructed by this.  Frankly I’m not surprised, but I’m blessed by the sincerity, and the intentionality with which you’re doing the things that you’re doing.  Like I’m instructed by that.  I’m going have to think about that –some more.  My perspective is this:  If it doesn’t adorn the gospel…it’s the beauty of Christ that’s at stake in everything we do.  The glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” (Then quotes 2 Corinthians 3:18 )

“If it doesn’t adorn the beauty of God’s great Son, if it doesn’t display Him and show Him off…it’s the manifest presence  of God in the service which is the powerful life changing element.   I believe that if it doesn’t adorn the gospel it doesn’t advance the gospel.  We may see fruit…some fruit from it…we may draw people with it, we may draw decisions with it…and I’ll say it as simply as I know how in summary: I do think that if it doesn’t adorn the gospel, it doesn’t advance the gospel.”

Perry Noble says, in part:

…I think it was used to adore, and be used to advance the gospel because the song was redeemed.”

James replied:

“I’m gonna just say that I’m really blessed by you right now because your…your thinking is a lot different that I thought it was gonna to be.  I think you’re wrong about it.  But you really have thought it through…as you said, ‘we prayed on it’…”  “I’m just gonna stand on that point… if it doesn’t make Jesus more beautiful to people it’s not advancing our mission.”  ” If it’s not elevating God and God’s glory and God’s great Son then it’s not advancing the mission.  I really struggle with this idea that to be-in order to connect people  with Christ you have to be like them.  That ‘I gotta become like them to reach them’ is something that uh…I’m just not there yet.”

Perry: 

That’s what Jesus did.”

James: 

“Yeah?” (Silence for 3 seconds, and then James says:  “That would take another session.” 

James:

All right.  Fantastic.  Let’s wrap it up.” 

And then that particular ‘conversation’ came to an end.

These conferences seemed more like ‘Hegelian Dialectic‘ sessions where the goal is to wear down those with opposing views so they conform to the beliefs of the majority.  Did you notice how James would have his focus on Scripture, and yet notice how many times “I think”  was said instead of them keeping their focus on the truth of God’s Word and the Holiness of God and the reverence that we should have in our times of worship.  A shift began to take place where the belief of playing something so horrendous in a church as ‘Highway To Hell‘ was slowly becoming a possibility…at the very end it seemed that James might possibly consider trying to ‘be like them to reach them‘ with maybe a little more time and a little more thought.

We cannot be led by our feelings or our own ideas and justify something by simply saying, “We prayed about it.”  Our standard to judge what’s right and wrong must always be God’s Word, and we must never lose sight of the fact that God is pure and completely Holy and our worship we give to Him must be nothing less than that; pure and completely holy! 

“…worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our God is a consuming fire.”  (Hebrews 12:28,29)

If you are not aware of what the Hegelian Dialectic Process is, I highly encourage you to watch the following video: 

Just think of the many who attended ER2 in January 2012 or watched by live stream and walked away that night believing that TD Jakes indeed is a “brother-in-Christ.”  Think of those who bought the DVD’s, and those who are not firmly grounded in the truth of God’s Word who may even begin to  listen to his sermons and be caught up in his ‘Word of Faith‘ false teachings, which is another serious error in T D Jakes‘ teachings that James and the other pastors chose not to address and confront him on that night.  Those of us who are ‘born of the Spirit,’ must be Bereans and examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said (and done by those who claim to speak for God) is true,’  (Acts 17:11) so that we will not be deceived.  We are not to trust in men but in God alone.  Pastors and teachers are to follow Christ and His command to ‘preach the Word,’ and to ‘go and make disciples,’ and not be led astray by following the dictates of their deceitful hearts.

Not only have  some people lost sight of the Holiness of God, but also many have lost their fear of God.  Profanity in the pulpit is a common occurrence in many churches today, when God’s Word clearly says otherwise, concerning the speech and conversations of those who profess to be followers of Christ and leaders in the church, as you can see from some of the Scriptures I posted further down.

When friendships with certain people begin to eclipse our ability to discern, and if our acceptance by others slowly becomes more important that our desire to honor and please God, you can be sure that it will be the beginning of a continuous downward spiral.  And that is what I believe we are all witnessing concerning James and many pastors and teachers today –compromise for the sake of ‘unity’  and acceptance which not only causes one to harden their heart against the warnings and truth presented in God’s Word, but also hinders them from discerning truth from error. 

Here’s another example:  In January, James went away for some rest.  And by his tweet below you can see that on one of those days he attended Perry Noble’s Newspring Church.  And concerning Perry Noble’s new series on ‘CHANGE,’ he said the following:

Capture James MacDonald at New Spring Church Jan. 12, 2014

I haven’t yet listened to the actual sermon that James listened to on that particular Sunday, but it was entitled: Three Things That Must Happen For Change To Happen.’  If you’d like, you can go to Newspring Church’s website and listen to it in light of Scripture (Acts 17:11) and come to your own conclusion.

If you’d like to listen to a Biblical analysis of one of Perry Noble’s sermons in his series on Change, you can listen to Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith,’ at the link below.  That will give you a glimpse into how Perry Noble misapplies Scripture, and will also leave you wondering why James would publicly tell his followers on Twitter that one of Perry Noble’s sermons is “great.”  Maybe that particular one was, but by all the other ones I have heard him  ‘preach,’ I am sorry to say that it is highly unlikely that it was.

MISADVENTURES IN BAD HERMENEUTICS – PERRY NOBLE TURNS JOHN 3:16 INTO A TITHING TEXT

Here’s an example of how Perry Noble clearly takes  Scriptures out of context.  In this video Perry takes Scriptures that can only apply to Jesus and applies them to Steven Furtick!  It is not a stretch at all that Chris Rosebrough entitled the following video, THE BLASPHEMOUS GOSPEL OF STEVEN FURTICK BY PERRY NOBLE’

Another concern we should have with James and his involvement with — and promotion of — Perry Noble, is the fact that Perry Noble promotes the book, SACRED MARRIAGE by Gary Thomas.  In the following video Perry says:

It is the best book on marriage written,” and “…very excellent information that everybody needs to hear”

And in case you’re wondering why Perry Noble promoting that book by Gary Thomas is concerning to many, please consider reading the following articles at Lighthouse Trails at the link below this ‘quick capture‘ and you will understand why you should be concerned about Perry Noble or any pastor promoting a book by Gary Thomas.  Here’s an excerpt from one of those articles which clearly reveals why many are concerned about the unbiblical and even mystical teachings that Gary Thomas presents in his books:

Capture GARY THOMAS SACRED MARRIAGE AND MYSTICISMSOURCE

ARTICLES AT LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS-GARY THOMAS SACRED MARRIAGE AND MYSTICISM

 

SCRIPTURES FOR YOU TO REFLECT ON

“Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights who does not change like shifting shadows.” (James 1:17)

“He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change His mind; for He is not a human being, that He should change His mind.” (1 Samuel 15:29)

“I the LORD do not change.” (Malachi 3:6a)

“People swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument.  Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of His purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, He confirmed it with an oath.  God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged.  We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure.”                    (Hebrews 6:16-19a)

 

**2-9-14 ** PLEASE READ THESE SCRIPTURES WITH THIS QUESTION IN MIND: DO THE QUALITIES IN SOME OF THESE SCRIPTURES DESCRIBE MY PASTOR?

“To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s suffering who also will share in the glory to be revealed: Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them–not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.” (1 Peter 5:1-3)

“Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task.  Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.  He must manage his own family well and see that his own family obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect.  (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil.  He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.”  (1 Timothy 3:1-7) 

“An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.  Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless–not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.  Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined.  He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.” (Titus 1:6-9)

“The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.  For Scripture says,  “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.”  Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.  But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.  I charge you in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.” (1 Timothy 5:17-21)

“So Christ Himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip His people for works of service, so the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fulness of Christ.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of Him who is the head, that is, Christ.” (Ephesians 4:11-15)

“I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned.  Keep away from them.  For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites.  By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.” (Romans 16:17,18)

“Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you.  For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God.  Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.  Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.  I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.  Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.  So be on your guard!  Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:26-31)

“Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the Word of truth.”  (2 Timothy 2:15)

“In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke, and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” (2 Timothy 4:1-4)

“For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be.  I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder.” (2 Corinthians 12:20)

“You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good.  For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.  The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.  But I tell you that man will have to give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.  For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 12:34-37)

“Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children.  And live a life of love,just as Christ loved us and gave Himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.”  But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.  Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or course joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.  For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person — such a man is an idolater — has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.  Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.  Therefore do not be partners with them.  For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord.  Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness, and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord.  Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.  For it is shameful to even mention what the disobedient do in secret.  But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible.  This is why it is said,  “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”  Be very careful, then, how you live — not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil.”  (Ephesians 5:1-16)

“But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.”  (Colossians 3:8)

“Let your conversations be always full of grace, …so that you may know how to answer everyone.”  (Colossians 4:6)

“Do not keep talking so proudly or let your mouth speak such arrogance, for the LORD is a God who knows, and by Him deeds are weighed.”                     (1 Samuel 2:3)

“To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.”  (Proverbs 8:13)

“When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”  (Proverbs 11:2)

“He who guards his lips guards his life, but he who speaks rashly will come to ruin.” (Proverbs 13:3)

“Pride only breeds quarrels, but wisdom is found in those who take advise.” (Proverbs 13:10)

“Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.”             (Proverbs 16:18)

“A man’s pride brings him low, but a man of lowly spirit gains honor.” (Proverbs 29:23)

“The eyes of the arrogant man will be humbled and the pride of men brought low; the LORD alone will be exalted in that day.” (Isaiah 2:11)

“The pride of your heart has deceived you, you who live in the clefts of the rocks and make your home on the heights, you who say to yourself, ‘Who can bring me down to the ground?’  (Obadiah 1:3)

“The Word of the LORD came to me:  “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them: “This is what the Sovereign LORD says,  “Woe to you shepherds of Israel who only take care of yourselves!  Should not shepherds take care of the flock?  You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock.  You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured.  You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost.  You have ruled them harshly and brutally.  So they were scattered because there was no shepherd, and when they were scattered they became food for all the wild animals.  My sheep wandered over all the mountains and on every hill.  They were scattered over the whole earth, and no one searched or looked for them.  Therefore, you shepherds, hear the Word of the LORD:  As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, because my flock lacks a shepherd and so has been plundered and has become food for all the wild animals, and because My shepherds did not search for My flock but cared for themselves rather than My flock, therefore, you shepherds, hear the Word of the LORD:  This is what the Sovereign LORD says:  I am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for My flock.  I will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves.  I will rescue My flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them.  For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I Myself will search for My sheep and look after them.  As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them,  so will I look after My sheep.  I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness.” (Ezekiel 34:1-12)

“Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked.  A man reaps what he sows.  Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.” (Galatians 6:7,8)

**UPDATE 2-9-14** If you have read all the Scriptures above, then please click HERE, and if your pastor is  JAMES MACDONALD OF HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL ROLLING MEADOWS, please take the next hour or so to listen to his message from the ‘ACT LIKE MEN’ CONFERENCE in its entirety. 

If you have been one of those who have ignored the serious concerns that many of us have tried to warn you about concerning James MacDonald’s character, and how much he has changed, after listening to his message can you now honestly say that his character and speech honors Christ and matches the Biblical description of an elder?If you are a man and you brought your son or a man you were sharing Christ’s love and the gospel with to this conference, would you be proud of the speech of your pastor, or cringe and feel ashamed?  Or more importantly, what do you think Jesus thought of his message?  Did James truly glorify God with his whole message, or did he compromise in order to please men? 

Since James has become very good friends with Mark Driscoll — who is sadly referred to by many as “the cussing pastor,” — maybe he has been wrongly influenced by his behavior.  However, there is no excuse for James speaking as he did at the ‘Act Like Men‘ conference.  He knows full well how our speech and our behavior as a follower of Christ is to reflect Christ and not reflect the behavior of the world.

James’ brother is in extremely critical condition after suffering a massive stroke, and I am deeply sorry to hear that and am praying for him, but this issue needs to be dealt with and not ignored!

SECOND ITEM OF CONCERN:

A long time former member of Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows informed me that HBCRM sent out a very lengthy letter to those who have recently left Harvest.  (I have not received one yet.  Maybe they are sending letters only to those who have not already let them know why they have left).  Below is a ‘quick capture‘ of a condensed summary giving just the main highlights in the letter that this person received from HBCRM and was nice enough to share with me by email:

Capture HBCRM LETTER MAILED TO THOSE WHO HAVE LEFT HARVEST

So, former Harvesters, what would it take for you to return?  Would you even consider returning?  Would you return if James sincerely repented for the reasons that caused you to leave?  Are you planning on responding to this letter?  I would love to hear your thoughts.

Someone who just read the recent HBCRMElder’s Update‘ informed me of the fact that James has agreed to take a pay cut and made many other commendable ‘lifestyle adjustments.’  But is this enough?  True change takes place in the heart when godly sorrow grips a person and they realize the wrong they have done and ask forgiveness from those they have offended and sinned against.  Are we seeing these changes take place in the heart and words of James?  Only God knows his heart, so we must not judge his intentions, but the evidence of true repentance must be more than superficial changes.

The elder update also speaks of “accountability between senior staff and Elder board,“and “the priority of seeking reconciliation in relationships with former church leaders.”  All good steps in the right direction, for sure!

But what about the ”ELDER VIDEO” in which the character of men were destroyed in front of all who attended Harvest that day?  What kind of impression did ‘first time visitors’ have if they attended that particular day? Below is a ‘quick capture’ of a review of HBCRM on ‘yelp,’ given by a person who attended HBCRM only a few times, and one of those times he attended was the day the ‘Elder Update‘ video was played for the entire congregation.  I accidentally came across this a couple of weeks ago:

Capture Review of HBC on yelp

The ‘elders video,’ incident  was bad enough, but what do you think a first time visitor thought if they came to HBCRM on Easter Sunday 2013 when James chose to preach on –money??!!  I never would have thought that James would have passed up an opportunity to preach the gospel on such a perfect day as the day we celebrate the Resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!  How utterly sad and even possibly blasphemous that he would choose to do such a thing!  Truly James has changed!

Personally, I would not return even if he had a sincere change of heart and repented and asked forgiveness from all the people he has hurt, although I am still continuing to pray that one day that will indeed happen. 

Even though I have forgiven James and long to be with some of my friends who are still there, I have found a church where the pastor has served faithfully for many years, and who preaches verse by verse without taking any verses out of context, or distorting it in order to add his own agenda.  My new pastor preaches every Sunday and does not get involved with pastors who distort the Word of God.  My new pastor knows me by name, and has talked with me almost every Sunday over the two years that I have now been there since leaving HBCRM.  I have even had lunch with my pastor and his wife and daughter, and he kindly and generously paid for my lunch.  Sadly, James would not even know me by name, even though I was a member for over 14 years and sat in the front of church within the first three or four rows, Sunday after Sunday.  A smaller, more intimate church where they sing hymns with lyrics that praise God, giving Him all the glory He is SO deserving of, and where people know one another and encourage one another has been the kind of church I have now found, and I am very happy and at peace there.  No more waiting for James to change and going home every Sunday feeling discouraged and righteously angry because of how he used certain Scriptures to insult those of us who have discernment and instead he labeled us as being “divisive.”

Please keep James and his brother in your prayers as I will be doing.  It is not my intent to “bash” James— it saddens me to post this, especially knowing his brother is now in such serious condition, but I found this audio from the ‘Act Like MenConference before I heard about his brother, and had been planning on updating this post with more information since I wrote it on Jan. 23, 2014.  My sole intention of adding the audio clip is that I am hoping and praying that God will use it to help those of you who are not only continuing to cling to the idea of “how much James has accomplished in the past,” but also to help those of you who are refusing to listen to the concerns that many have expressed on ‘The Elephant’s Debt,’ (especially on their latest and possibly last post —TO EVERY SEASON’ ).  It is my prayer that many of you will finally realize — after first reading the Scriptures I posted and then listening to his message — that indeed the character of James does not line up with the godly character traits that an elder must have according to God’s Word, and that all of you will begin to think and pray about what God would have you to do.

Scott and Ryan have shed light on many serious concerns regarding the conduct and character of James MacDonald.  Many godly men have come forward to give their statements concerning why they have left, and they have shared their personal stories of their experiences with James.  It’s time that all of us get our focus on Jesus, and not on any man and his ministry.  It’s time to examine the evidence and seek God in prayer for answers and wisdom as to what He would have you all to do.

Men, no matter who your pastor is, you are ordained by God to be the spiritual leader for your family.  You will have to stand before God one day and give an account for how you have led your wife and your children spiritually, so please make sure you are testing all the messages that your pastor is preaching against the Word of God, (Acts 17:11) and if necessary, find a new church home where the Word of God is accurately preached and the pastor’s character reflects the character of Christ Himself.

HBCRM members and attendees, spend time praying for God to change James’ heart, but seek God as to how much longer He would have you wait to see true repentance take place.  Or maybe in your time of prayer He will lead you to begin a search to find a new church where the pastor is accountable to godly men who have been appointed as elders by the votes of members of the church, and where the pastor will be faithful to preach God’s Word and will not give in to compromise.

**UPDATED 3-5-14** 7:05 p.m.** IN CLOSING

There was a time when most men of God were faithful to the call of God to go and preach the gospel and make disciples and correct and rebuke those who were in error.  But sadly today some pastors simply view the church as an ‘organization’ and some even go as far as saying, “I think that Jesus is the product” (that they attempt to sell) as T D Jakes stated in the following interview:

Many mega-pastors use worldly marketing strategies and some use feel-good messages that appeal to the desires of their ‘consumers’ to grow their church instead of preaching a gospel of sin and repentance and the glorious good news of the gospel of God’s mercy and grace.  Many may leave feeling good and many will probably even come back, but without hearing the truth that we are all sinners on the road to a real eternal lake of fire, their ‘best life’ will be only the good they experience here ‘now’ on this earth, and those who have ‘preached’ a ‘gospel’ that has no power to save will have to stand before God one day and answer for what they have done and failed to do.  The blood of their people will be upon their hands. 

And some pastors go to the other extreme and focus more on the law and make their people feel condemned because of their sins, and they do not share the ‘good news’ of the gospel that if they repent and receive what Jesus did when He not only took upon Himself the detestable sins  that we have committed, but also Jesus took upon Himself the full wrath of God that was intended for us because of our sins, and that we can be completely forgiven and clothed in the righteousness of Christ, and our sins will then be as far as the east is from the west, and cast into the depths of the sea.  

Presently we are seeing more and more pastors and teachers focusing on ‘unity’ and focusing less and less on Biblical truth.  Few today are men of God who have remained faithful to preach and to teach God’s Word to their congregations –all because they have not allowed the pressure to conform to the new standards to measure success as a church by, which seems to be,“It’s all about the numbers,” as mega-pastor Steven Furtick has been known to say.  More and more these types of pastors continue to lose sight of their mission of preaching the gospel and equipping the saints, and instead seek to build more and more churches which have become their empires destined to crumble if these pastors do not repent and return to Jesus, their first love.

The true gospel is about preaching sin and repentance to people to make them see their need for a Savior, and realizing that God alone has the power to convict someone of sin and to lead someone to repentance.  To use emotionally manipulating tactics — such as playing music when the pastor is preaching or about to give an altar call, or planting people in the service to come forward so as to motivate others to follow and come forward in an altar call — (as many of us have discovered is being done by seeing the latest news coming out concerning Steven Furtick, Elevation Church, and so-called ‘spontaneous baptisms‘), or to present sermons and music in a worship service that appeals to the sinful nature of men, implies that the good news of the gospel no longer has the power nor is it sufficient any longer to save someone.  And nothing could be further from the truth!

Many pastors and teachers — and all of us who are followers of Christ, for that matter — may start out with pure motives and a heart that desires to follow God without compromise, however, what really matters is how we finish on this road called ‘life.’  This thought came to mind towards the end February of this year as I was doing my daily Bible reading.  As I often do at the start of a new year, I began reading through the Old Testament.  On this one particular day as I was reading through 2 Chronicles, I began to reflect upon the many kings of Israel who started out serving God, but in the end they began to compromise and did not remain faithful to God.  Here are just a few of them:

“Asa did what was good and right in the eyes of the LORD.  He removed the foreign altars and the high places, smashed the sacred stones, and cut down the Asherah poles.  He commanded Judah to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, and to obey His laws and commands.  He removed the high places and incense altars in every town in Judah, and the kingdom was at peace under him.  Zerah the Cushite marched out against them with a vast army and three hundred chariots, and came as far as Mareshah.  Then Asa called to the LORD his God and said,  “LORD, there is no one like You to help the powerless against the mighty.  Help us, O LORD our God, for we rely on You, and in Your name we have come against this vast army.  O LORD, You are our God; do not let man prevail against You.”  The LORD struck down the Cushites before Asa and Judah.  The Cushites fled, and Asa and his army pursued them as far as Gerar.  “The Spirit of God came upon Azariah son of Oded.  He went out to meet Asa and said to him,  “Listen to me, Asa and all and all Judah and Benjamin.  The LORD is with you when you are with Him.  If you seek Him, He will be found by you, but if you forsake Him, He will forsake you.  But as for you, be strong and do not give up, for your work will be rewarded.”  When Asa heard these words and the prophecy of Azariah son of Oded the prophet, he took courage.  He removed the detestable idols from the whole land of Judah and Benjamin and from the towns he had captured in the hills of Ephraim.  He repaired the altar of the LORD that was in front of the portico of the LORD’s temple.  They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul.  All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  They took an oath to the LORD with loud acclamation, with shouting, and with trumpets and horns.  All Judah rejoiced about the oath because they had sworn it wholeheartedly.  They sought God eagerly, and He was found by them.  So the LORD gave them rest on every side.  King Asa also deposed his grandmother Maacah from her position as queen mother, because she had made a repulsive Asherah pole.  Asa cut the pole down, broke it up and burned it in the Kidron Valley.  Although he did not remove the high places from Israel, Asa’s heart was fully committed to the LORD all his life.  “At that time Hanani the seer came to Asa King of Judah and said to him,  “Because you relied on the king of Aram and not on the LORD your God, the army of the king of Aram has escaped from your hand.  Were not the Cushites and the Libyans a mighty army with great number of chariots and horsemen?  Yet when you relied on the LORD, He delivered them into your hands.  For the eyes of the LORD range throughout the earth to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to Him.  You have done a foolish thing, and from now on you will be at war.  Asa was angry with the seer because of this; he was so enraged that he put him in prison.  At the same time Asa brutally oppressed some of the people.  The events of Asa’s reign, from beginning to end, are written in the book of the kings of Judah and Israel.  In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa was afflicted with a disease in his feet.  Though his disease was severe, even in his illness he did not seek help from the LORD, but only from the physicians.  Then in the forty-first year of his reign Asa died and rested with his fathers.” (2 Chronicles 14:2-5,9-13a,15:1,2,8,9,12-17,16:7-13)

“Amaziah was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem twenty-nine years.  His mother’s name was Jehoaddin; she was from Jerusalem.  He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, but not wholeheartedly.  When Amaziah returned from slaughtering the Edomites, he brought back the gods of the people of Seir.  He set them up as his own gods, bowed down to them and burned sacrifices to them.  The anger of the LORD burned against Amaziah, and He sent a prophet to him, who said,  “Why do you consult this people’s gods, which could not save their own people from your hand?”  While he was still speaking, the king said to him,  “Have we appointed you as an adviser to the king?  Stop!  Why be struck down?”  So the prophet stopped but said,  “I know that God has determined to destroy you, because you have done this and have not listened to my counsel.”  From the time that Amaziah turned away from following the LORD, they conspired against him in Jerusalem and he fled to Lachish, but they sent men after him to Lachish and killed him there.  He was brought back by horse and was buried with his fathers in the city of Judah.”              (2 Chronicles 25:1,2,14-16,27,28)

“Uzziah was sixteen years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem fifty-two years.  His mother’s name was Jecoliah; she was from Jerusalem.  He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father Amaziah had done.  He sought God during the days of Zechariah, who instructed him in the fear of God.  As  long as he sought the LORD, God gave him success.  God helped him against the Philistines, and against the Arabs who lived in Gur Baal, and against the Meunites.  The Ammonites brought tribute to Uzziah, and his fame spread as far as the border of Egypt, because he had become very powerful.  But after Uzziah became powerful, his pride led to his downfall.  He was unfaithful to the LORD his God, and entered the temple of the LORD to burn incense on the altar of incense.  Azariah the priest with eighty other courageous priests of the LORD followed him in.  They confronted him and said,  “It is not right for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to the LORD.  That is for the priests, the descendants of Aaron, who have been consecrated to burn incense.  Leave the sanctuary, for you have been unfaithful; and you will not be honored by the LORD God.”  Uzziah, who had a censer in his hand ready to burn incense, became angry.  While he was raging at the priests in their presence before the incense altar in the LORD’s temple, leprosy broke out on his forehead.  When Azariah the chief priest and all the other priests looked at him, they saw that he had leprosy on his forehead, so they hurried him out.  Indeed, he himself was eager to leave, because the LORD had afflicted him.  King Uzziah had leprosy until the day he died.” (2 Chronicles 27:3-5,7,8,16-21)

After reading all the many accounts of the kings of Israel, suddenly I thought of many popular pastors and teachers who no longer serve God wholeheartedly and who began to change and who have given in to compromise.  These pastors no longer contend for the faith and no longer protect their sheep from false teachers as they once did.  Instead they invite them in to preach from their very own pulpits!  On the day they stand before a Holy God who alone knows their hearts and their motives, it won’t matter how many churches they planted, or how many people came forward in an altar call, or how many came forward to be baptized.  What will matter is did they really place their trust in Christ.  And, if so, were they faithful to preach the gospel without compromise?  Were they faithful to earnestly contend for the faith?  Were they faithful to preach His Word in season  and out of season and teach their people how to rightly divide His Word?  Did they bring correction when it was needed?  Did they expose error and protect their people lovingly and fervently as a shepherd protects his sheep from wolves whose main intent is to kill and destroy them?

Many pastors and teachers — and many ordinary followers of Christ, as well — need to have a fresh realization of the Holiness of God.  Because, sadly, many obviously have lost their fear of God, or they would not be doing some of the many things that they are doing these days and claiming that ‘God told them to do it.’  We all need to have our focus on Jesus Christ alone, and seek Him in His Word alone.

We also need to pray for our pastors and teachers, and pray for one another that God would fill our hearts with repentance and that we would seek Him wholeheartedly so that we will not change along with the culture of this world that is so obviously in rebellion against a Holy God.

A W TOZER – THE HOLINESS OF GOD

 

As always, God has a remnant of believers who will not give in to compromise and who will continue to earnestly contend for the faith.  Will you be one of them?

WHY I WROTE THE FOLLOWING POEM

I began writing this poem a few months ago out of concern because of what I see happening in mega-churches in general.  However, after listening to a video of a sermon from the weekend of January 4th and 5th 2014 preached by James MacDonald — my former pastor for over 14 1/2 years — and hearing how he enticed the people in his congregation by saying,“The biggest miracle that’s ever happened in the history of Harvest Bible Chapel is happening right now,” and how he went on to say that ‘he couldn’t tell everyone about it yet, but would in a few months,’ and upon learning from an ‘inside source‘  at the very end of December that “the [giving] “envelopes” were on every chair as people entered the auditorium,” and that “…the give stage was set from the beginning,” I was then strongly motivated to finish this poem so that I could warn people of not only the manipulative tactics that some pastors use to lure them in and to keep them there, but also I again realized the need to remind people of the importance of  looking to Jesus Christ alone and studying God’s Word so that people would not be deceived by  men and lured and  captivated by their ‘vision casting’ plans that are presented to them by these pastors. Therefore, the following poem has some verses that are much longer than the verses in most of my other poems because whenever I attempt to express my concerns about serious matters, I find it very difficult to condense my thoughts into short verses.  I apologize for how it appears, but I hope the message comes across without the lengthy verses being a distraction to you.

Thank you very much for stopping by and taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Living4HisGlory

 

YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN THE FOLLOWING:

**ADDED 2-26-14** THE CULT OF THE VISIONEER – TODD PRUITT, REFORMATION 21 BLOG

**ADDED 3-5-14** PAUL PROCTOR – THE PEOPLE’S CHURCH WILLOWCREEK AND THE CHURCH GROWTH MOVEMENT

**ADDED 2-20-14** PASTOR RANDY WHITE – WHY I LEFT THE CHURCH GROWTH MOVEMENT

SAME INFORMATION AS ARTICLE ABOVE, BUT IN VIDEO FORM BELOW.  ARTICLE READ BY CHRIS ROSEBROUGH OF ‘FIGHTING FOR THE FAITH

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UNCHANGING

I serve a God who is unchanging, His Word is living and complete

Yet some ignore this truth, to seek new revelations and experiences at His feet

Then there’s the mighty mega-pastor, who once lived in humble, simple ways

When asked the reason for his success, he would always give God the praise

A foundation once built on Christ and on His Word alone

Has given way to building using strategies of men, and God’s Word is twisted so his

own agenda can be shown

Many eyes are now being opened, discernment and knowledge are some reasons why

As God’s Spirit and godly men reveal what’s hidden in darkness, the truth is then

hard to deny

Rather than repent, these men seem to just continue to plan and to scheme

They hype up their sheep with hints of exciting things to come; the newest

mega-pastor’s dream

Their hope is to keep the devoted ones coming and giving, so as not to foil their

slightly revealed vision casted plan

Sadly these pastors have drifted far from their calling, to preach God’s Word and to

reveal a Holy God to sinful man

Shouldn’t it be enough to proclaim what Christ has done

To proclaim the unchanging glorious gospel; sin has been atoned for, it is finished,

Christ has won

Shouldn’t we simply bow in humble reverence, and praise His Holy name

And not continually praise how great our church is, and focus on its growth and its

fame

What about instructing their sheep in sound doctrine, and dying to self and turning

from sin

And warning of wolves in sheep’s clothing, instead they’re uniting and inviting them in

God’s Word is unchanging, His truth is what sets men free

But many pastors fail to teach God’s Word or to prepare their people for eternity

Caught up in being relevant and planting churches, many have strayed off the straight

and narrow path

They have changed their once powerful gospel message, without repentance these

pastors will sadly face God’s wrath

Abandoning their sheep, giving in to compromise, no longer faithful to love and to lead

These pastors leave a trail of wounded people, they have turned a deaf ear to the truth

when they plead

There is still hope for change through repentance, if they choose to surrender to

conviction and no longer rebel

If ignored, the cost to themselves and their hearers, will be none other than the

fires of hell

The methods and messages of some pastors truly are changing, but our God is

unchanging and His Word makes it clear

That we must contend for the faith, for deception is great, and proves Christ return is

indeed drawing near

Copyright© 2014 Mary K. Dalke/Living4HisGlory/Living For His Glory All rights reserved.

**UPDATED 3-14-14 6:33 P.M. ADDED LINK TO PASTOR TOM PENNINGTON’S SERMON SERIES ‘WOLVES IN THE PULPIT’ (SEE UNDER ‘YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN THE FOLLOWING.’

**UPDATED AND COMPLETED WEDNESDAY, 3-5-14** 7:17 P.M.

**UPDATED WEDNESDAY 3-5-14 10:00 A.M.** ADDED ARTICLE ON THE CHURCH GROWTH MOVEMENT BY PAUL PROCTOR. SEE UNDER ‘FURTHER READING.’ DATED IN RED.

**UPDATED TUESDAY 3-4-14 6:02 P.M.**  ADDED INFORMATION CONCERNING STEVEN FURTICK.  SEE UNDER ‘FINAL POINT WHY YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT STEVEN FURTICK,’ DATED IN RED.  WILL ADD CLOSING THOUGHTS WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS WHICH WILL FINALLY COMPLETE THIS POST.

**UPDATED SATURDAY 3-1-14 3:30 P.M.**  ADDED SOME CLOSING THOUGHTS.  SEE UNDER ‘IN CLOSING’ AND ‘WHY I WROTE THIS POEM,’ DATED IN RED.  ALMOST FINISHED…JUST A LITTLE MORE TO GO.  LORD WILLING, SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY EARLY NEXT WEEK.

**UPDATED FRIDAY 2-28-14 10:10 P.M.** ADDED SOME ‘CONVERSATION’ BETWEEN JAMES MACDONALD, PERRY NOBLE, AND MARK DRISCOLL FROM ‘ELEPHANT ROOM 1’ CONCERNING PERRY N. PLAYING ‘HIGHWAY TO HELL.’  ( DATED IN RED – SEE UNDER ‘INFORMATION CONCERNING JAMES MACDONALD’)

**UPDATED THURSDAY 2-27-14  9:17 p.m.** ADDED MORE INFORMATION CONCERNING JAMES AND PERRY NOBLE (DATED IN RED) JUST NEED TO ADD MY CLOSING COMMENTS, BUT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FINISH TOMORROW.  HAVE AN IMPORTANT FAMILY MATTER TO ATTEND TO THAT CAME UP.  LORD WILLING, I WILL COMPLETE THIS POST WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.  THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY, AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

**UPDATED WEDNESDAY 2-26-14 9:00 p.m.**  ADDED ARTICLE ‘THE CULT OF THE VISIONEER’ BY TODD PRUITT UNDER ‘FURTHER READING,’  SOME INFORMATION CONCERNING JAMES MACDONALD, AND AN ARTICLE CONCERNING JAMES BY CAMERON BUETTEL.  (DATE IN RED).  LORD WILLING, I AM HOPING TO COMPLETE THIS POST BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.  THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

**UPDATED FRIDAY 2-21-14 12:00 P.M**. ADDED ‘STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH’ PODCAST CONCERNING STEVEN FURTICK -“WHEN DOES A CHURCH CROSS INTO A CULT” AND VIDEO OF STEVEN F. ENCOURAGING ‘ELEVATION CHILDREN’ TO LEARN ‘THE CODE.’

**UPDATED THURSDAY 2-20-14 9:13 P.M.** ADDED MANY LINKS TO INFORMATION ON PERRY NOBLE, PERRY NOBLE VIDEO, ARTICLE BY DR. RANDY WHITE CONCERNING THE ‘CHURCH GROWTH MOVEMENT.  (DATED IN RED).

**UPDATED WEDNESDAY, 2-19-2014** ADDED  INFORMATION ON STEVEN FURTICK AND ELEVATION CHURCH, AND MORE ON FRANCIS CHAN.  ALSO ADDED LINK (COLORED IN RED) TO THE ‘ELDER  VIDEO.’ ALL INFORMATION DATED AND COLORED IN RED.  THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

**UPDATED MONDAY, 2-17-14 6:20p.m.** ADDED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT GREG LAURIE AND INFORMATION ON FRANCIS CHAN.  SEE INFORMATION DATED 2-17-14

** UPDATE 2-15-14 9:26 P.M.**  I WAS HOPING TO FINISH THIS POST BY TODAY, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT I NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF FIRST.  LORD WILLING, I HOPE TO FINALLY COMPLETE THIS POST BY WEDNESDAY.  ONCE AGAIN, I AM VERY SORRY, AND APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.

**UPDATED 2-12-14**SEE UNDER THE FIRST SET OF SCRIPTURES. DATE IN RED.  LORD WILLING, HOPE TO HAVE THIS POST COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS WEEK

**UPDATED 2-9-14 9:01 p.m.**  ADDED LINK TO JAMES MACDONALD’S MESSAGE FROM HIS ‘ACT LIKE MEN’ CONFERENCE WITH SOME THOUGHTS FOR YOU TO PRAYERFULLY PONDER, AS WELL AS A HBCRM REVIEW I CAME ACROSS ON ‘YELP,’ AND INFORMATION ON A LETTER RECENTLY SENT TO MANY WHO HAVE LEFT HBCRM.  (ALL UPDATES DATED IN RED

UPDATE 2-6-14  3:32P.M. ADDED MORE SCRIPTURES**  WILL TRY TO COMPLETE POST WHEN TIME ALLOWS…NEED TO CATCH UP ON SOME THINGS FIRST.  THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

UPDATE 1-31-14 11:38A.M.**  FOR THE PAST WEEK I HAVE BEEN GATHERING INFORMATION TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE COMMENTS I WILL BE ADDING TO FINALLY FINISH THIS POST.  LORD WILLING, I HOPE TO HAVE EVERYTHING I AM SEARCHING FOR — AND THIS POST COMPLETED — BY EARLY NEXT WEEK –MAYBE SOONER.  THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

 

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