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5/23/19 UPDATED THIS POST WITH LINK TO JULIE ROYS NEW POST IN WHICH FORMER EMPLOYEES SHARE STORIES THAT REVEAL JAMES MACDONALD IS A VERY TROUBLED PERSON IN NEED OF A LOT OF PRAYER –AND HELP! UPDATE BELOW HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE

5/21/19 UPDATED THIS POST WITH MANCOW MULLER’S PODCAST REGARDING THE ‘NUCLEAR OPTION’ HE SPOKE OF. SEE UPDATE BELOW NEAR THE END OF THIS POST HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE

5/20/19 UPDATED THIS POST WITH THE MOST SHOCKING AND DISTURBING NEWS YET! SEE LINK BELOW DATED MAY 20th! PLEASE BE PRAYING!

As Christians, many of us think that we should be able to trust those in leadership positions at our churches. But sadly, we cannot. For those of us who seriously read and study God’s Word, we are keenly aware of the many warnings and examples in Scripture that show the necessity of testing everything against Scripture –especially the teachings and behavior of those who claim to preach and teach God’s Word. Many of us have learned by personal experience that some pastors who are supposed to be loving shepherds who are to guard and protect their flock that God has entrusted to them, are instead verbally abusive, manipulative, and seeking their own glory instead of desiring to glorify God. We have learned the hard way that we are to place our trust in God alone and not in mankind. But for those of you who have not yet come to realize this extremely important truth, let me ask you these questions:

What would you do if you found out that the leadership of your church was hiding the facts about sexual abuse that took place?

What would you do if you discovered that your child may have been one of the victims but was afraid to tell you?

What if they were even possibly threatened to keep silent?

What would you do if you discovered that your child took part in a game presented to them by a Christian leader called “Punch the Rat” where there were presents in all of the boxes –except for one. In this one box contained a live rat that squealed in pain when the children, unbeknownst to them, would punch the rat instead of a box that contained a present? Here is what someone on Twitter shared:

“Wooden crates were constructed with gifts inside. Kids knew there was a live rat inside one. They cringed when they had to hit bc they knew they could hear the animal noise of pain” this quote is from a woman who’s daughter was there.”

Think about it. Instead of teaching our children about Jesus Christ, these “Christian” leaders who are supposed to be setting forth an example of Jesus to our children — Christian leaders whom we have placed our precious children in their care — are showing our children that it’s okay to abuse animals! Those who don’t want to participate because they don’t want to hurt the rat and who are not strong enough to continue standing against this act of abuse, could then be pressured to conform to the thinking of the majority in order to be accepted, and their sensitive consciences slowly become hardened and therefore they slowly begin to lose the ability to clearly know what’s right and what’s wrong. In the adult world we call this the Hegelian Dialectic Process.

It is a known fact that many who abuse and kill animals when they are children grow up to abuse — and even kill — people, as well. Please sit down with your children and ask them if they have ever played these games and tell them how wrong games like this are. Teach them to be compassionate and loving not only to animals, but also — and especially — to people.

Harvest Bible Chapel attendees and members who have not yet heard, I need to tell you that the above incidents that I have just shared with you regarding sexual and emotional abuse of children took place within your midst!

On May 12th 2019 another person on Twitter had this to say:

At family party today my niece & nephew said they played a game at @HarvestBible1 camp called Spit the Cricket. You put it in your mouth & see how far you can spit it. They were taught it was funny. Grooming to not have empathy is real.”

The articles that I have linked to below are filled with documented evidence regarding many serious matters, including hiding facts about sexual abuse that took place! I never intended to write any more posts regarding Harvest Bible Chapel and James MacDonald, but as a former 14 1/2 year attendee and member of Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows (June 1997-Jan. 2012) I cannot remain silent and sit idly by as I read the extremely troubling information that is coming forth regarding what has gone on behind the scenes over the past seven years since I left. As I see the truth being exposed regarding the coverup of sexual abuse that went on (may God richly bless former HBC Counseling Pastor, Rob Williams, for reporting the abuse that took place by Paxton Singer. A true example of what it means to Act Like Men), as well as the ungodly character of James MacDonald that became known through audio recordings which should disqualify him from ever being a pastor again, his extravagant lifestyle that was approved by the elder board, his abuse of power and authority as he belittled godly men — and godly women — with his words and actions, his lack of remorse and repentance, etc., etc., I must speak out!

I also think of the innocent children who have been — and will continue to be — affected, not only by what has already taken place there, but also I think of how every precious child will be affected by the failure of their parents to take a stand and say, “Enough is enough,” and take some God-honoring action to make sure their children are safe and so they see a godly response from their parents regarding the failure of a pastor to be a true shepherd to the people that have been entrusted to his care. If a true shepherd fails in some way and is truly repentant, he would stand before his congregation and admit his failures and ask forgiveness for what he did, not leave the many people behind that he so deeply hurt in one way or another.

For those of you who attend Harvest Bible Chapel and are aware of these things, I understand your dilemma quite well. I know how hard it is to leave a church where you have so many wonderful relationships with those who attend there. However, is staying there honoring to God? Is staying there being a good example to your children? Is enabling this “ministry” to continue on by your attendance when so much was — and in some ways still continuing to be — hidden from you  glorifying to God?

May I humbly suggest to those of you who want to leave but have nowhere to go:

Consider gathering together somewhere else where you can have a time of worship, prayer, and time in God’s Word. As many have been saying for many years now, “Vote with your feet and leave.” Let the empty seats represent your disgust at the wrongdoings and failures that went on with full knowledge and approval of those in leadership.

Where is their fear of the Lord? Where is their desire to honor God? If James MacDonald and Rick Donald were truly repentant they would have stood before the congregation in person, admitted their sins and failures, and asked for your forgiveness. Instead they seemingly flee to another state attempting to start afresh, sadly, it seems, not even thinking twice about the devastation they brought about and the shattered lives left behind; the result of their ungodly behavior. Even though it has been seven years since I have left HBCRM, I still pray for them when they come to mind. Every time I pass the church since I left, I pray the day will one day come when that horrible “vertical church” symbol will be taken down and a cross will take its place, and that the Biblical gospel will be preached, with no more manipulation of  Scripture in an attempt to change the thinking of the congregation in order to lead people to believe what HBC leadership wants them to believe (Hegelian Dialectic Process – watch the last video below to learn more).

For those who have been devastated in one way or another by what has happened over the years by the words and actions of James MacDonald and others who were in leadership, do what the Lord is calling you to do. When you have done all you need to do, rest in the fact that we serve a God who sees the many injustices done. Although James MacDonald is no longer your pastor, the Lord knows the motives and intentions of his heart and He already knows what he is planning to do next. If James MacDonald truly seeks to honor God, he will have a true godly sorrow for not only all that he has done to bring shame to the name of Jesus Christ, but also he will have a true godly sorrow for all the people that he has hurt over the years and for all the ways that he has failed to be a true shepherd to the thousands of people he was given to care for. If he sincerely repents before God and personally apologizes to the many people that he has hurt and seeks to honor God in all that he says and does, God could indeed restore his ministry to something truly glorifying to Him. If he does not repent, God will bring it down, or he will have to answer to God one day.

Below I have linked to some important information that you all need to be aware of. Another story is soon to break, and as soon as it does I will add it to the links below. I am not trying to be divisive by posting this information. I only seek to share all of the information that others have gathered after doing a thorough job of researching and following many leads to help expose the many lies and deception before many more people are devastated by all that has happened at Harvest. I pray that God will use this information to help open your eyes to the truth so that you can see what is really happening. I care about all of you who may still be attending Harvest Bible Chapel and those of you who are considering starting to attend. Please open your eyes! Test everything in light of Scripture! (Acts 17:11) Seek God for the truth in these matters! Place your trust in Jesus Christ alone and not in the leadership of the church –any church!

As Christians we serve a God who sees all that is happening, and He will not be mocked! (Galatians 6:7) God is a God of love, mercy, and grace, but there comes a time when He will bring judgment and will bring down any ministry that is bringing shame to the name of Jesus Christ and the Biblical gospel and is instead exalting man and not Jesus Christ.

God also sees your pain and discouragement. He sees how deeply you have been hurt and how you served the Lord with all of your heart in the ministry that you were (and maybe still are) in. As long as you did it unto the Lord, rest assured that God used it — and will continue to use it — for His glory, and all of your work was not — and will not be — in vain:

“Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.” (1 Corinthians 15:58)

“And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.” (Colossians 3:23-25)

Bring your hurts to the Lord along with any anger and bitterness that may be within your heart. Remember, anger is not a sin. It’s what you do with your anger that makes it sin. (Ephesians 4:26) Righteous anger was demonstrated by Jesus Christ when He overturned the tables of the money changers in the temple. Pray for James, Rick, and all those who were once in leadership positions there, as well as those who are presently in leadership. Ask the hard questions! Stand against all that is wrong there! Demand answers! Protect your children from abuse, whether it be sexual (by inappropriate actions of leadership) or emotional (by verbal abuse or games such as Punch the Rat or Spit the Cricket)! If you haven’t done so already, sit down with your children and ask them if they have ever been touched inappropriately by anyone in church leadership or if they were told to do anything inappropriate, especially if your child attended Camp Harvest between the years of 2016 and February of 2019 when Paxton Singer was on staff. Let your children know that they can come to you with any concerns that they may have. If Biblical change does not come soon, then leave and do not turn back! I will be praying for all of you.

 

RELATED SCRIPTURES

“My eyes are on their ways; they are not hidden from me.” (Jeremiah 16:17)

“I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence; I possess knowledge and discretion. To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech. Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have understanding and power.” (Proverbs 8:12-14)

“An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.” (Titus 1:6-9)

“Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.” (James 3:1)

“Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.” (1 Timothy 4:16)

“Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28)

“The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete. You are looking only on the surface of things. If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should consider again that we belong to Christ just as much as he. For even if I boast somewhat freely about the authority the Lord gave us for building you up rather than pulling you down, I will not be ashamed of it.” (2 Corinthians 10:4-8)

“For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth. We are glad whenever we are weak but you are strong; and our prayer is for your perfection. This is why I write these things when I am absent, that when I come I may not have to be harsh in my use of authority–the authority the Lord gave me for building you up, not for tearing you down.” (2 Corinthians 13:8-10)

“Have nothing to do the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” (Ephesians 5:11)

“Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you. For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:26-31)

“If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. Indeed, none of you should suffer as a murderer or thief or wrongdoer, or even as a meddler. But if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but glorify God that you bear that name. For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who disobey the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should entrust their souls to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.” (1 Peter 4:14-18)

I will end with this Scripture:

“There is no fear of God before his eyes. For in his own eyes he flatters  himself too much to detect or hate his sin. The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful; he has ceased to be wise and to do good. Even on his bed he plots evil; he commits himself to a sinful course and does not reject what is wrong.” (Psalm 36:1-4)

RELATED VIDEOS

In the following very informative video, you will find James MacDonald, as well as Mark Driscoll, Steven Furtick, Perry Noble, and more. Although it is a very lengthy video, it is well worth the time to watch:

In the video below you will not only learn about the Hegelian Dialectic Process, but also you will learn about the unbiblical Church Growth Movement that incorporates worldly methods to grow the church instead of a pastor simply being faithful to preach God’s Word and trusting Him to grow the Church (Acts 2:42-47).

 

IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF – MORE TO COME

OCT. 18, 2018 – CHICAGO TRIBUNE – FORMER YOUTH PASTOR AT HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL IN AURORA CHARGED WITH SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF CHILD

JAN. 25, 2019 – DAILY HERALD – MANCOW ‘SPEAKING MY TRUTH TO HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL’S PASTOR JAMES MACDONALD’

FEB. 13, 2019 – CHICAGO TRIBUNE – RADIO PERSONALITY ‘MANCOW MULLER’ DESCRIBES HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL TURMOIL AS ‘SPIRITUAL SUCKER PUNCH’

FEB. 17, 2019 – CHICAGO TRIBUNE -ANNOUNCEMENT OF SWEEPING CHANGES AT HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL MET WITH WALKOUT, CONCERNS ABOUT NEW DIRECTION

MARCH 9, 2019 – REPORT BY JULIE ROYS:

Former Harvest Employees Say James MacDonald Lived Large on Church’s Dime

MARCH 23, 2019 – REPORT BY JULIE ROYS:

Classroom Videos Show James MacDonald Bullying Students & Disparaging Rival School

MAY 15, 2019 – INVESTIGATIVE REPORT BY JULIE ROYS:

Former Counselor Accuses Harvest of Failing to Report Abuse & Threatening Him

MAY 20, 2019 IMPORTANT UPDATE! REPORT BY JULIE ROYS. PLEASE READ AND PRAY!

Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders

UPDATE MAY 21, 2O19 FORMER SHOCK JOCK, MANCOW MULLER, WHO ONCE ATTENDED HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL AND IS NOW MY BROTHER-IN-CHRIST, SHARES THE SHOCKING TRUTH ABOUT JAMES MACDONALD IN HIS PODCAST:

MANCOW AND THE HARVEST SCANDAL

Thank you for doing that podcast, Mancow. It was very moving to hear the time of prayer you had, as well. You exhibit more godly character than James MacDonald, that is for sure! Praying God’s protection for you and your family, Mancow! Thank you for your courage to speak the truth and to be like Nathan the prophet to James MacDonald. Thank you so much for going to the police with all of your concerns! God bless you and your family. Please stay in God’s Word and do not let your faith be shattered by what James MacDonald has done and failed to do. Just simply follow Jesus Christ and not any man or ministry. Place your trust in Jesus Christ alone.

UPDATE MAY 23, 2019 REPORT BY JULIE ROYS – JAMES MACDONALD DISTURBING STORIES

James MacDonald & Target of His Alleged Murder Plot Make Video Espousing Love; More Disturbing Stories

 

IN CLOSING:

I would like to thank Julie Roys, Scott Bryant, and Ryan Mahoney (and their families) for what they endured as they were determined to uncover the lies and to reveal the truth regarding the mismanagement of church funds and to bring to light the many things that were hidden regarding the ungodly character of James MacDonald. May God’s will be done so that He alone gets the glory.

I would also like to express my deepest thanks and appreciation to Rob Williams for his courage and concern to follow up to see if the child abuse that took place at the hands of Paxton Singer was reported by someone at Harvest Bible Chapel, and when he found out that it had not been, he submitted a report himself. Sadly, instead of protecting our children and exposing this evil that took place, the leaders of Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows seemingly chose instead to cover up the abuse that took place in an attempt to protect the name and fame of James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel.

A special thanks also to Mancow Muller, a former attendee of Harvest Bible Chapel, who came to faith in Jesus Christ while he attended there, and who was also instrumental in bringing to light many of the horrendous things that revealed the true character of James MacDonald. May God heal him from the emotional abuse that he experienced from James MacDonald, and may God lead him to a truly Biblically solid church where God’s Word is preached without being twisted and distorted in any way.

UPDATE: 5/18/19 11:56 A.M.

Another person who I truly appreciate, because she has been very instrumental in gathering information regarding what has taken place at Harvest Bible Chapel over the years, is Jessica Hockett, a former member of Harvest Bible Chapel. Here is her timeline that she put together documenting what Harvest Bible Chapel claims happened regarding the child abuse that took place by Paxton Singer and the conflicting evidence:

Thank you very much for stopping by today.

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

 

Featured Photo by Mary K Dalke – Reflections Of His Glory Photography

Scripture added by Mary K Dalke on Pixlr Editor

UPDATE:

I am in the process of writing at least two more posts (not Harvest related), but due to my sister being in the hospital again, and other unexpected circumstances, I have not been able to finish writing them. My sister was released from the hospital tonight, so, Lord willing, I am hoping to get back to working on them over the next week or so until they are completed.

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What was it that Jesus Christ, God in human flesh, did when He was upon the cross that fully satisfied God the Father’s wrath and His just demands to pay for all of our sins and to provide for our salvation? Was it enough that Jesus shed His blood and died in our place after taking upon Himself the full wrath of God that we deserved because of all of our sins, (as well as bore our griefs and our sorrows) as it says in Isaiah 53? Or did Jesus Christ also have to die spiritually as some professing Christian pastors and teachers tell us today? Regarding 2 Corinthians 5:21, did Jesus actually become sin as many pastors and teachers also teach and as many of us hear stated in some songs that are presented to us to sing at our churches (which I refuse to do) during worship time? (Chris Tomlin’s, ‘Jesus Messiah,’ Kristyn Getty’s ‘Power of the Cross,’ etc. ) These are very important issues! Teaching and believing that Jesus died spiritually has an extremely damaging impact upon the Biblical gospel as presented to us in God’s Word because the focus is taken off of what God demanded as payment for sin and what Jesus truly accomplished by His shed blood and physical death that completely satisfied God, His Father. I hope that you will take time out of your busy schedule to read this post and to check out the very important information that I have linked to for you below when time allows you to do so.

Many of you are aware of the false teaching that those in the ‘Word of Faith‘ movement, such as Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Fred Price, and others present when they say that ‘after Jesus died physically He also died spiritually and descended into hell where He was tormented by the demons, and became the first ‘born again’ man.’ If not, please take a few minutes to listen to one example in the following video:

However, this Jesus Died Spiritually (JDS) teaching that I am speaking of in this particular post is different in many ways and is presently being taught by some well respected professing Christian teachers and pastors! I personally heard two different pastors teach this on one particular Sunday (December 10th 2017) as I was looking for a sermon to listen to since I was, and presently still am, churchless. I was shocked and quite stunned because I had never heard this being taught by those whom I believed presented Biblical Christianity.

The first time that I heard this being taught was while I was watching a live streamed service from Duluth Bible Church, and it was said right before their communion service. Although this may not be an exact quote (because they deleted that portion of their service when they uploaded it onto YouTube), it was very close to what I heard Pastor Dennis Rosker say:

‘It wasn’t Jesus’ physical death that brought about our salvation, it was His spiritual death that did.’

I was completely shocked to hear him say that!

After I listened to him for a couple of more minutes to make sure that I understood him correctly and in context, I shut off this live streamed service and then decided to listen to another pastor that I had been listening to at that time –Pastor Greg Durel, of Heritage Bible Church. This particular sermon was entitled, ‘Who Did Jesus Claim To Be?’ This was a prerecorded sermon, so you can imagine how shocked I was to hear him say almost the same exact thing when he spoke of the spiritual death of Jesus Christ! Below is a written portion from that sermon which is an exact quote from a portion between the 25:31 minute mark and the 27:30 minute mark. You can listen to his whole sermon or just listen to the three minute portion which will be enough for you to hear what he says concerning Jesus dying spiritually in context.

SERMON – WHO DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE? (SOURCE)

“Now, John 19:30, Christ, human plus deity. Understand, God in the flesh. 100% human, 100% God. He  had to be 100% human otherwise, what did He prove? He’s tempted in all points in His humanity as we are, yet He never transgresses. So He’s sinless. So He’s going to offer Himself as the sin offering, the Lamb of God. Now, He’s on the cross and He dies spiritually, during the course of time when He says, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” We understand that to mean that the humanity of Christ, in some form or fashion, experiences separation, spiritual separation, from the deity of Christ. The penalty for sin is spiritual death, the consequence of the byproduct of spiritual death is physical death. Remember, the day Adam sinned he died. How? Spiritually. The byproduct was hundreds of years later he died physically. That’s what has to be corrected. The spiritual death has to be paid for. If that’s paid for then we don’t experience spiritual death, we can have eternal life with the Lord. Why? Because our sins have paid for, by whom? By Christ.”

Let’s take a few minutes and examine what Greg Durel said in light of Scripture. (Acts 17:11)

Yes, Jesus Christ was 100% God and 100% man. (John 1:1, Hebrews 1:1-13, Philippians 2:5-11, Colossians 1:15-19)

Yes, Jesus Christ lived a sinless life and became our sin offering; the Lamb of God. (1 Peter 2:22, 1 John 3:5)

No. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that Jesus died spiritually.

No. Nowhere in Scripture can we find anything to even hint at the humanity of Jesus Christ separating from the deity of Christ. That would have divided the Trinity; the oneness/unity of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Many try to use the Scripture in Habakkuk 1:13 that says the eyes of the LORD are “too pure to look upon evil,” so he turned away from His Son, when, as some (wrongly) teach, He became sin. We must not add to God’s Word — or take away from it — in order to make it say what it does not clearly say. (Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32, Revelation 22:18)

Yes, the penalty for sin is spiritual death, the byproduct being physical death, however, this applies only to Adam and Eve and passed on to all humanity because of their choice to sin. Jesus Christ never sinned, and thus He did not die — or have to die — spiritually. Jesus’ shed blood and His physical death was all that God required to pay the debt for all sin.

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.” (1 Peter 3:18)

In the sermon series exposing this unbiblical JDS teaching that I have linked to for you below, Pastor Tyler goes into this much deeper by explaining that Jesus was fulfilling Psalm 22 when He cried out on the cross:

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”(Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34)

God did not turn His back on His Son. Pastor Tyler goes on to clearly show from Isaiah 53:11 that God, His Father, actually saw Jesus as He hung on the cross:

He shall see the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.” (Emphasis added).

Using many other Scriptures in his sermon series he also shows that this is why it is necessary for people to accept the unbiblical teaching that Jesus literally became sin, in order to accept the unbiblical teaching that Jesus died spiritually).

Continuing on:

After hearing that same false teaching a second time from Greg Durel within just minutes after hearing it the first time, I then knew that God was trying to clearly show me just how prevalent this false teaching is becoming, and realized that I needed to write about this not only to warn Christians, but also in order to expose this false teaching and to “earnestly contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.” (Jude 3)

A related side note:

A few years before I permanently left Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows (the church I called home for 14 1/2 years – June 1997-January 2012 , right after ER2), I remember Pastor James MacDonald taught this in one respect when I heard him say something very similar and equally disturbing during a *sermon regarding what Jesus said to God, His Father, when He prayed on the Mount of Olives:

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me, yet not my will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42)

What I heard James MacDonald clearly and loudly say during his sermon raised an immediate red flag, brought many Scriptures to mind to refute what he said, and caused me to jump and my eyes to open wide out of shock. He said:

“What was  in the cup? He saw Himself becoming sin!”

Hearing him say that troubled me so much that I left Harvest and did not plan on returning! Jesus did not literally become sin or He would not have been the perfect, spotless Lamb of God. He was our sin offering (Isaiah 53:10). He bore our sins (1 Peter 2:24), our sins were placed upon Him (Isaiah 53:6), but He did not literally become our sin; our sin was imputed to Him, just as the righteousness of Jesus Christ is imputed to those of us who choose to place our trust in the once for all sacrifice of Jesus Christ as being sufficient to pay the debt for all of our sins and guilt –in full! *[Sermon by James MacDonald that I am referring to was preached on Nov. 17, 2008]

After that incident I did a search to find some information regarding 2 Corinthians 5:21 and came upon an article written by Ron Rhodes. Here is a portion of his article:

To continue reading, click here_—> (SOURCE)

When I first became a Christian my first Bible study teacher presented us with a very good teaching in which she shared many Scriptures and explained to us from the Old Testament regarding the scape goat and how one was to be sacrificed to the LORD for a sin offering, and the sins of the people were  spoken over the second goat and then it was released into the desert as a scape goat, and how it was foreshadowing the day when all of our sins would be laid upon Jesus Christ, the perfect, spotless Lamb of God, who would take away the sins of the world. (Read Exodus 12, Leviticus 4:3, 23,33 Leviticus 16:6-10, Isaiah 53)

Regarding this teaching of Jesus becoming sin, I took some time to search the Scriptures and to write down many of them that show Jesus Christ was sinless: Isaiah 53:9, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:14-16, Hebrews 7:26, 1 Peter 2:22, 1 John 3:5

I also searched through the Scriptures for instances where the word “cup” was used in that type of context in order to see what God’s Word revealed about it and found the following verses that clearly show, in most cases, that “the cup” is symbolic of God’s judgment, fury, or wrath:

Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the LORD the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.”(Isaiah 51:17)

“Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again.” (Isaiah 51:22)

“For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it.” (Jeremiah 25:15)

“Then took I the cup at the LORD’S hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me.” (Jeremiah 25:17)

“And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink.” (Jeremiah 25:28)

“For thus saith the LORD; Behold, they whose judgment was not to drink of the cup have assuredly drunken; and art thou he that shall altogether go unpunished? thou shalt not go unpunished, but thou shalt surely drink of it.” (Jeremiah 49:12)

“Thou art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the LORD’S right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory.” (Habakkuk 2:16)

“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.” (Zechariah 12:2)

“The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

“But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized.” (Mark 10:38,39) *(See more information concerning this verse a little further in this post that I marked with an asterisk).

“And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.” (Mark 14:23)

“The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.” (Revelation 14:10)

*If indeed “the cup” symbolized Jesus becoming sin or spiritual death, as some teach, then, as Pastor Tyler Leigeb correctly reasons (in his three part sermon series that I posted for you below regarding the false JDS teaching), the meaning in the passage of Scripture below would then be that the disciples would lose their salvation, and that simply cannot be true:

“But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized.” (Mark 10:38,39)

During the time after I left Harvest I attended another church for a few months, but ended up returning to Harvest (for two more years, all the while praying for change) simply because I couldn’t find a Biblically solid church to attend after something happened at that church that caused me to believe that I couldn’t trust the leadership there either.

Now back to the main topic of this post:

After listening to the second sermon that one Sunday in December of 2017, I quickly messaged one of my dear friends who also (once) appreciated the teachings coming from Duluth Bible Church, and I expressed my deep concerns to her about what I had heard Pastor Dennis Rosker say, as well as what Pastor Greg Durel had said, and I continued to express my concerns with her for the next couple of days. I also made it clear to her that what they were teaching was different in some ways than what the false teachers in the Word of Faith Movement, such as Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc., teach. Being the Berean (Acts 17:11) that she is, she contacted Duluth Bible Church via email to ask Pastor Rosker about this to receive clarification on what he had said. Below I have shared her email interaction with one of the pastors at Duluth Bible Church with my friend’s permission, but removed her last name to protect her privacy:

As you can (hopefully) see from Pastor Stegall’s reply to my friend’s email above, even though he makes it abundantly clear that he “categorically rejects the Word of Faith view,” (something I never claimed that Pastor Rosker taught), he admits — without apology–  that the pastors of Duluth Bible Church do hold to a  belief “about the “spiritual” aspect of Christ’s death,” thus admitting that they believe Jesus died spiritually as well as physically. Note also what Pastor Stegall goes on to say concerning what they do believe about the spiritual aspect of Christ’s death:

“….the view we hold and teach is the view held by the vast majority of grace oriented, dispensational, non-charismatic Bible teachers over the last century.”

In the next paragraph Tom Stegall clearly denies that what he and Dennis Rosker “believe about the spiritual aspect of Christ’s death” is a “false view of Christ’s death” after at least one blogger, it seems, took the time to shed light on this teaching in order to expose it as error. One of them being Jim Floyd, the author of the book, ‘The Perfect Sacrifice,’ (which I have linked to below).

What seems like an attempt to discredit Jim Floyd’s Biblically based belief that “Christ died only physically on the cross,” Tom Stegall goes on to say:

“I don’t know of any other Bible teachers of any prominence who holds Jim’s view.”

Tom Stegall then basically accuses Jim Floyd of attacking their ministry and wrongly labeling them as false teachers by saying:

“I’m not sure why Dennis and I have been targeted and labeled with teaching a false view on this subject since the view we hold (and have always held) is simply the mainstream view among sound Bible teachers…”

Dear reader, we cannot base what we hold to believe upon the teachings of men, but rather we are to test the teachings of men against the truth of God’s Word — in context — and compare Scripture with Scripture. No matter how well known and respected a pastor or Bible teacher may be, we must reject everything that does not line up with Scripture.

Throughout Scripture we are urged and shown to test everything in light of Scripture:

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21,22) (KJV)

“Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” (Acts 17:11) (NIV 1984)

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15) (KJV)

God’s Word also shows us that we are to expose error and warns us about those who will falsely teach God’s Word: (Ephesians 5:11, Acts 20:26-31, Romans 16:17,18, 2 Corinthians 11:4, 2 Peter 2:1, 1 Timothy 4:1)

When Jesus’ disciples asked Him about the signs that would signal His soon return and the end of the world, Jesus lists spiritual deception as the first sign:

“And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.”

For Jesus to list deception first should alert us to the importance of being on guard against being deceived.

Even though some who teach that ‘Jesus died spiritually’ (JDS) do not teach that Jesus went to hell, was tormented by demons, and became the first born again man, as those in the Word of Faith movement do, what they do teach contradicts the clear teachings in God’s Word that say it was His shed blood and the physical death of Jesus Christ that provided for our salvation.

“In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.”(Ephesians 1:7)

“Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.” (Colossians 1:12-14)

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.” (1 Peter 1:18,19)

Jesus did not have to die physically and spiritually. He died once for all. Consider these Scriptures:

“Wherefore he is also able to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.” (Hebrews 7:25-27)

“Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot  to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.” (Hebrews 9:12-14)

“Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” (Hebrews 9:28)

“Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)” (Hebrews 10:8-23)

 

So much more could be said, but since my time is presently rather limited, and since Jim Floyd  did such an excellent job in exposing this JDS teaching by reasoning with many Scriptures in his articles and book, and as Pastor Tyler did, as well, in the same book and in his sermons, there is no need for me to say any more than what I have already shared with you in this post.

I urge you to please take time to read the very thorough teachings by Jim Floyd that expose this heretical ‘Jesus died spiritually‘ teaching so that you are aware of how it perverts the Biblical gospel. I have linked to both of his excellent articles below.

Here also is the book that Jim Floyd just recently finished writing on this topic along with his pastor, Tyler Leigeb:

You can learn more about this book and purchase it, if you’d like, at the link below:

The Perfect Sacrifice

This book goes into great detail concerning the heretical JDS teaching, focusing on many Scriptures, as Jim Floyd does in his excellent and very in depth articles:

Beware of the “Jesus Died Spiritually” Heresy

Jesus Did Not Die Spiritually

 

I also highly encourage you to listen to the sermon series that Pastor Tyler Leigeb preached on this subject (JDS) at the link further below. He exposes this false teaching with many Scriptures and reasons with Scripture the damaging effects that this teaching has upon the Biblical gospel. If you choose to listen, I pray that you will find (as I did) your faith being renewed and strengthened as you become encouraged by hearing the many Scriptures that he shares and that you will also come to appreciate even more all that Jesus Christ accomplished for us through His sinless life, His willingness to submit to the will of God, His Father, and go through such brutal torture as crucifixion in order to take upon Himself the full wrath of God intended for us because of our sins, and to shed His blood and die in our place, thus fully satisfying God’s wrath and just demands as full payment for all sin –no matter how heinous those sins may be. When the veil/heavy curtain that hung in the temple was torn in two from top to bottom (Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38), it clearly showed that God, the Father, accepted the death of Jesus Christ, His Son, as fully providing the way for sinful man to come into His presence and to be reconciled to Himself –a completely Holy God. (Ephesians 3:12, Hebrews 4:15,16, Hebrews 10:19-23)

When Jesus Christ gloriously arose bodily from the dead, it further showed that His physical death was enough to satisfy God’s just demands and wrath that He had towards us because of our sin, proving that His death paid the debt for all sin in full, and that we can know that we have — present tense — eternal life.

“He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.” (Romans 4:25)

“If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.” (1 John 5:9-13)

 

If you are someone who has yet to hear the truly good news of the Biblical gospel and to believe it and place your trust in *Jesus Christ alone for your salvation instead of trusting in your good works or in your church to save you, the many Scriptures shared in this sermon series will definitely reveal who Jesus Christ is to you. This series will also show you the depth of the love that God has for each and every one of us, and the extent that God went through to provide the one and only way for you to receive His love and forgiveness. That one and only way is by placing your trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ; the sinless life that He lived so that He would become the Lamb of God — the perfect sacrifice — His horrific death on the cross in our place as He took upon Himself the full wrath of God intended for us because of our sin and guilt, His burial, and His glorious bodily resurrection from the dead for your salvation. *(John 14:6, Acts 12:4, 1 Timothy 2:5, Romans 4:1-8, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:3-7)

The sermons in this series that expose this JDS teaching can be found at the Sermon Audio link below. The titles of these sermons are as follows:

PART 1: THE CUP

PART 2: FORSAKEN

PART 3: WHAT SATISFIED THE FATHER

Sermon Audio

NOTE:

Although I am sharing Jim Floyd’s articles and information about his book that he wrote along with Tyler Leigeb, and sharing Tyler Leigeb’s sermons with you, as well, it should not be considered by you to be an endorsement of Jim Floyd, Tyler Leigeb, and Billings Bible Church. Sadly, when I have endorsed pastors, teachers, and ministries to you in the past, I have regretted doing so because of the errors that I have discovered in some of their teachings as time went by.  This is why I no longer endorse anyone on my Living4HisGlory blog anymore. I do, however, highly recommend these resources to you because they line up with Scripture and show this JDS teaching to be completely unbiblical!

I urge each one of you to please be Bereans and constantly test every teaching that you hear and read by every pastor and teacher that you receive your teachings from, making sure that what is said is in context, as well, in order to make sure that what they say lines up with the truth of God’s Word (Acts 17:11). Make sure that you pray for discernment, as well! (Side note: Also pray for discernment whenever you are considering attending a church and make sure to read their statement of faith to find out where they stand on Theological issues to make sure what they believe lines up with Scripture).

RELATED SCRIPTURES

“Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”(Isaiah 53:1-12)

“Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.” (Romans 3:25)

“Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:9)

“Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” (Hebrews 9:12)

“In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” (Hebrews 9:22)

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.” (2 Peter 2:1)

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world.” (1 John 4:1)

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.” (1 Timothy 4:1)

“Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” (2 Corinthians 11:1-4)

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.” (Galatians 1:6-10)

“Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you. For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:25-31)

Thank you very much for stopping by today.

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

 

NOTE:

I am so very thankful to my dear friend, Lori, for always earnestly contending for the faith and for telling me about Jim Floyd and the book, THE PERFECT SACRIFICE, that he wrote along with Pastor Tyler Leigeb.

I am also deeply thankful to Jim Floyd not only for the excellent articles that he wrote on this JDS subject, but also for his book, THE PERFECT SACRIFICE, that he wrote along with Tyler Leigeb. This is an extremely important book in defense of the gospel and Jesus Christ’s ‘perfect sacrifice.’ I also truly appreciate Tyler Leigeb for the excellent in depth Biblical sermon series that he preached exposing this JDS false teaching. Their teachings were a true blessing to me at the time I needed them the most, and they will continue to be as we see this unbiblical teaching being accepted by many because they fail to test things in light of Scripture. These teachings will help equip us to defend the Biblical gospel and to help us open the eyes of those who have been led astray by this unbiblical JDS teaching.

IMPORTANT UPDATE:

I need to take some time off for the next three weeks for personal reasons and in order to prepare to have my taxes done. Lord willing, in the latter part of April, I will be going back to writing the series in which I began comparing the Catechism Of The Catholic Church to Scriptures in a Catholic New Testament Bible in order to reach precious Catholics with the truly good news of the Biblical gospel. When that series is completed I will then finish the series concerning the Alleged Apparitions Of The Virgin Mary and move on to some other important topics. Thank you for your patience.♥

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Comments made may not be posted or replied to until after April 10th. I would appreciate your patience regarding my reasons for doing so. Although I appreciate every one of you who takes the time to leave a comment, please make your comment short –50 words or less. Thank you in advance.

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Welcome to the finale in the series of Warning You With Tears Wednesday posts –at least for this year so that I can focus on writing some other things that are weighing heavily upon my heart. It is my hope and prayer that through these series of posts you have come to realize the importance of testing everything that you read and hear in light of Scripture, and that you have especially come to realize the importance of examining the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said by your pastor, or your favorite preachers and teachers, is true. (Acts 17:11)

One of the signs that points to Jesus Christ’s soon return as recorded in God’s Word, the Bible, is spiritual deception, and that was the very first thing that Jesus Christ Himself mentioned when His disciples asked Him what would be the sign of His coming, and when would it take place. So with that in mind, I want you to see just a few of the many things that are leading many Christians astray these days, and it may possibly be even –you!

A few of the following things I have shared with you before, but I thought they were important enough to bring to your attention again, as well as to take this opportunity to warn those who may come across this blog for the very first time.

And now for the very lengthy over 10,000 word finale of Warning You With Tears Wednesday:

UPDATED AND COMPLETED SATURDAY 5/14/16 5:10 P.M.

1) Earth Day was April 22nd. Are you still under the impression that Earth Day is simply about cleaning up our environment and planting a tree? Read this article and you’ll discover the hidden agenda behind Earth Day:

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH – NEW BOOKLET TRACT – EARTH DAY AND A TOTAL TRANSFORMATION FOR A POST-CHRISTIAN WORLD – CARL TEICHRIB

2) Our world is rapidly changing. The return of Jesus Christ could be sooner than anyone could ever possibly imagine! Would you be ready if He returned today? The signs are all around us: increase in earthquakes, ungodliness, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, false teachers, spiritual deception, the love of many growing cold…the list could go on and on! Here are just a few shocking items in the news that points to the soon return of Jesus Christ:

— Parents, are you aware of Target’s new bathroom and changing room policy? Did you ever think that the day would come in your lifetime when men would be allowed in women’s bathroom’s and dressing rooms simply because they identify as a woman? What about the safety of women and children from rapists and kidnappers who may take advantage of such a policy? If you stand for Biblical values and want to make sure that your children are not  put in harms way, it’s time to let your voices be heard by finding another place to shop like over one million people have already done –including me!

CHRISTIAN POST – TARGET STOCK PRICES PLUMMET AFTER 1 MILLION-STRONG BOYCOTT OVER TRANSGENDER BATHROOM POLICY TARGET STOCK PRICES PLUMMET AFTER ONE MILLION STRONG BOYCOTT OVER TRANSGENDER BATHROOM POLICY

 Here’s just one example of what can happen:

LIFESITE NEWS – SEXUAL PREDATOR JAILED AFTER CLAIMING TO BE TRANSGENDER IN ORDER TO ASSAULT WOMEN IN SHELTER

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault

 

— The moral and spiritual decline that is taking place in our country and our world today is causing many children to become even more confused about who they are and what life is all about! Movies and television programs are making everything that God’s Word declares as being wrong and sinful seem normal and acceptable, and in the name of tolerance everyone’s views on life are being embraced –except those held by Bible believing Christians.

As Christians we are to have love and compassion for transgender people and share God’s love and truth with them as we are to do with all people. The truth is we were all created by God. He created some of us male and some female. For those who choose to reject what God’s Word has to say concerning how He uniquely created each one of us, maybe they will listen to what the American College of Pediatricians has to say:

GENDER IDEOLOGY HARMS CHILDREN

 

3) Christian parents, are you carefully screening the programs that your children are viewing? There are many out there promoting religious beliefs even in educational programs. These programs can subliminally plant seeds of a completely different and unbiblical belief system of life and the afterlife into our children’s minds, such as what is presented in this video beginning at the 4:47  minute mark until approximately the 5:45 minute mark:

4) Some children’s programs can even lead your children into participating in eastern religious practices, such as yoga, which, in these programs is referred to as yogo –a gentle form of yoga:

And if you find yourself thinking that yogo was just a one time happening in these Waybuloo programs that feature adorable, wide-eyed characters who teach your children some good lessons about sharing, etc., when time allows watch this three hour extravaganza featuring many of their shows and you will see that it is a reoccurring part of their programs:

 

 

5) If you are still one of the many who believe that yoga is just another form of stretching exercises, please take the time to watch this video and share it with others, as well:

6) Parents – Christian and otherwise – I know that many of you out there have good intentions by enrolling your children in Karate class, or something similar. Maybe you’re thinking that it would be good to get them involved in something that will teach them self-discipline, self-confidence, and self-defense. However, you truly need to become aware of the occult roots of these practices, and realize the importance of you personally teaching your children how to live a disciplined life and how they should rely upon God for their confidence. When time allows, please consider reading the following testimony of  Linda Nathan:

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – NEW BOOKLET TRACT: DANGERS AND DECEPTIONS OF THE MARTIAL ARTS AND WHY ONE WOMAN WALKED AWAY FROM A CHAMPIONSHIP CAREER

7) I also decided to share the following personal account of a former black  belt champion, Eric Wilson, who was involved in the Martial Arts for 25 years, but please do not consider it as being an endorsement of his ministry in any way! This video comes with a very strong warning for you if you choose to listen to it: You need to be aware of the fact that this man, Eric Wilson, is part of the 7th Day Adventist church which is a cult. (See the video further below for a detailed look into the teachings and prophecies of  Ellen G White). A Christian friend shared this video with me last year, and the reason that I am sharing it with you is because he truly gets to the roots of the occult nature of all of these Martial Arts practices. Now we just need to pray that he becomes aware of the false teachings of Ellen G White and the 7th Day Adventist Church!

 

8) With that being said, after you find the time to read the testimony above and watch the above video, as well, I hope that you will find yourself asking the same question that I did when I found the following video while searching for videos from a Biblical perspective in order to expose the occult roots of the Martial Arts. The question that I asked myself was: “Why is Pastor Raul Ries (of Calvary Chapel Golden Springs, CA) promoting the Martial Arts?”

Here he is at the United Martial Arts For Christ. Uniting Martial Arts with Jesus Christ is an oxymoron; like Christian yoga, they simply cannot be mixed together.

 

This is what you will find on his Calvary Chapel Golden Springs church website:

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 9) Former Martial Arts expert, Vito Rallo, briefly shares the Dangers Behind Martial Arts and Yoga:

 

Okay. Prepare yourself now as I take you down a verrry long and winding road that will lead you from one serious concern to another, and you will see how many of them are interconnected. A great number of these concerns involve the Calvary Chapel movement and their departure from Biblical truth because of their promotion of people and practices that do not reflect Biblical Christianity. In the end I hope that you will see how extremely important it is to test everything in light of Scripture and not to simply accept a person because of their testimony or embrace a teaching — regardless of how trusted the teacher may seem to be — without making sure that everything lines up with Scripture.

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10) The next concern that I need to bring to your attention is the fact that Raul Ries’ son, Ryan Ries, promotes the singer Brian Head Welch from Korn who professes to be a born-again Christian. Korn management made an announcement back on February 22, 2005 that Brian had left Korn stating that he had “…chosen the Lord Jesus Christ as his savior.”  (SOURCE)

In this video Ryan Ries shares his personal testimony. Although I will not judge his heart, it is truly sad that his focus was more on his life before he came to Christ, instead of on Jesus Christ Himself and the good news of the gospel:

 

11) Here is an interview that Brian did after becoming a Christian in which he shared a short version of his testimony, and how in spite of the fact that he grew up with the main members of Korn, he was very determined never to return to Korn.

 

12) In the following interview which was recorded back in December of 2009, Brian was asked to join up with Korn again, but he was still determined to continue in the new direction he had been going in since he was now part of the Whosoevers which not only included Brian, but also Sonny Sandoval, the lead singer of P.O.D. and co-founder of the Whosoevers, Lacey Sturm from Flyleaf, and Ryan Ries, who is also the co-founder of the Whosoevers movement.

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13) In February of 2012 Brian started a new band called Love And Death. Below is one of his songs entitled, Washed By Blood. Though there is still an intensely heavy metal sound to the music, the lyrics do present some Biblical truth:

 

14) Many Christians were very excited when they heard about Brian becoming a Christian, just as I was. However, some failed to take a closer look at his life to see if he was truly reflecting the character of Jesus Christ and exhibiting the fruit that gives evidence of a changed life. (Matthew 3:8)

Sadly, on May 2, 2013, Brian officially rejoined Korn. In the following video you will hear an interview with the members of Korn which was recorded shortly after Brian returned. You will hear him explain his reason for leaving Korn, and it is void of any reference to Jesus Christ.

When asked, “What was your process of getting your life back together?” He said the following:

“It was this church in Bakersfield I ended up going to…when I went into that place it was like love entered my heart  and I came back to life and I wanted to live again. All of a sudden I was like cursed with all these positive thoughts in my head…I was like, “You’re going to be happy, you’re going to be okay,” and so ever since then I just did that.”

He gets another chance to share about Jesus Christ when asked the following question:

“A lot of people don’t make it. What do you think it was inside you that managed to pull you out of that?”

In part, here is Brian’s reply:

“…I felt that love enter my heart and hope entered me and I was like, “I can do this.  And that was it. I was instantly addicted to that. I wanted that love, I wanted to feel that, and I wanted to raise my daughter, and I wanted to sit at home and get away from the rock star life, man.”

Warning! There are swear words at these minute marks (2:03,04, 4:34,35, 11:45-47, 54,55, 13:05,06, 14:05,19-27, 16:26,27, 19:49-20:02, 21:10,11, 24:55,56, 28:28-47, 31:14-18) in case you’d like to hit the mute button.

15) In the process of doing research on Brian, I came across the following video in which you will hear him share his testimony in great detail. He truly sounds genuine with much of what he says, but you will hear him focus way too much on his life before he made his profession of faith, and you will hear how he chose to dismiss the valid concerns that Christians expressed to him regarding his decision to return to Korn.

Ryan Ries does present the gospel at the end, but in light of all that I will be sharing with you in this post one has to wonder if Brian truly embraced Jesus Christ, or if he received “another Jesus” and “another gospel.”                 (2 Corinthians 11:4, Galatians 1:6-9)

 

16) When I first began watching videos on Brian in order to do research for this post, my first thoughts were that he was just simply led astray and deceived, because I didn’t see any clear evidence in what he was saying to show otherwise. However, the evidence to show otherwise became very clear after watching the videos further below. When time allows, consider watching them, but I need to give you this strong warning first:

CAUTION! This first video (uploaded by YouTube user, Psalm86 and originally created by Proverbs1:7Truth) is filled with some disturbing images from Korn’s concerts, music videos, etc., which were necessary to add in order to present you with an accurate portrayal of the life of Brian (Head) Welch after he made his profession of faith. It may only be necessary for you to simply watch the first few minutes of it in order to clearly see the truth about Brian. Please take some time to pray for him, as well:

 Capture Brian Head Welch - The WhosoeversPicture was quick captured from the video above)

17) As previously mentioned, Brian is part of a movement called the Whosoevers:

“The Whosoevers is a movement fueled by what the founders see as an overwhelming need to encourage individuals and speak purpose into the lives of millions around the world. The non-profit organization was founded in 2009 as a collaboration between Sonny Sandoval, Ryan Ries and Brian “Head” Welch with the intent to positively impact today’s music, skateboarding and art culture.[14][15] Ambassadors include [Lacey] Sturm, Annie Lobert, freestyle motocross athlete Ronnie Faisst, and lead singer of the band Islander Mikey Carvajal.”  (SOURCE – Wikipedia)

In this short interview Ryan Ries explains the purpose for this movement:

When time allows, please watch the following video that was published in Feb. 2014 by YouTube Channel Proverbs1:7Truth. It is actually a portion of the Brian Head Welch Exposed video without the content that I cautioned you about:

Brian and the Whosoevers are strongly promoted at Calvary Chapel Golden Springs, where Raul Ries, the father of Ryan Ries is the pastor. Here is a current  example:

https://thelasthiker.wordpress.com/2016/05/09/calvary-chapel-golden-springs-invites-a-wolf-to-teach-the-sheep/

 

This quick capture, however, is from The Whosoevers website:

Capture The Whosoevers - Who We Are - Whosoevers webebsite(SOURCE)

If you watched the very disturbing Brian Head Welch Exposed video, as well as the previous one, then you will find yourself among the many who are asking themselves, “How can Calvary Chapel continue to promote Brian Head Welch?”  But it gets worse, as you will soon see as we continue on down this long and spiritually dark and dangerous winding road.

 

18) The following pictures were quick captured from the video that I strongly cautioned you about earlier. If you choose to watch that video and examine all of the art work that is used on their album covers and added to the t-shirts that they sell, you will see how dark and disturbing much of it is:

Capture Melissa Leslie - Artist and photographer for the Whosoevers

Capture Melissa Leslie - Artwork 2

Capture Melissa Leslie - Artwork 3

Capture Melissa Leslie - Artwork

 

Some may argue and say the skulls symbolize death in relation to our sinful nature, but if you take the time to examine more of the details of Brian’s life since he made his profession of faith, I think it will become more obvious to you that Brian should not be lifted up as a Christian role model for our youth at any church!

Let’s continue:

19) Brian attends Bethel Church where Bill Johnson is the pastor. This fact alone should cause many Christians to hesitate from promoting him at their church! Lord willing, I will focus on Bill Johnson in greater detail in an upcoming False Teacher Friday post later on this year. For now, here is just a sample of his teaching so that you will hopefully realize the unbiblical type of teaching that Brian is receiving!

Here are some more examples:

20) This article, written by John Lanagan of MY WORD LIKE FIRE, will not only show you that Bill Johnson has a low view of Scripture, but also he gives clear examples of how his teachings are based on New Age thought which makes them heretical and downright dangerous!

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – NEW BOOKLET TRACT – THE NEW AGE PROPENSITIES OF BETHEL CHURCH’S BILL JOHNSON

21) Here’s another article written by John Lanagan in which he shares how Bill and his wife Beni each contributed a chapter in the book The Physics of Heaven:

https://mywordlikefire.com/2014/09/13/mark-chironnas-new-agequantum-mysticism-at-bethel-redding-conference/

Here’s a short excerpt from his article:

“As disturbing as The Physics of Heaven is, at least the book serves as a warning that Bill Johnson and Bethel (and others) are heading toward a New Age/quantum mysticism understanding of God.”

 

22) Pastor Larry DeBruyn of GUARDING HIS FLOCK MINISTRIES wrote a book review on The Physics of Heaven.  Here’s Part 1:

HERESCOPE: THE PHYSICS OF HEAVEN – A SERIAL BOOK REVIEW AND THEOLOGICAL INTERACTION – PASTOR LARRY DEBRUYN

 23) There is a movie that is still in production in which Andrew Strom will focus on Bill Johnson and his promotion of New Age mystical experiences:

 

24) Andrew Strom also produced this shocking documentary which shows how the mystical practices that can be found in the world of the occult and the New Age Movement are making their way into many churches, and have been for quite some time now. Presently, this particular video has received over 127,000 views!

 

25) Now this spiritually dangerous road that I am taking you down veers back to Brian Head Welch:

Bethel Church produced a movie called The Holy Ghost Movie in  which Brian also took part in. Here is a short one minute clip of Brian from the movie, and it’s all one really needs to hear to realize that what Brian said does not line up with Scripture:

 

26) Below is a clip from the sequel of the Holy Ghost movie which is entitled, Holy Ghost Reborn. If you choose to watch it you will see how a movie like this can play on your emotions. If you’re not careful and continuously on guard, you can easily be pulled in by the moving personal stories and forget to pray for discernment and fail to test everything in light of Scripture to see if what is being said and done is true or not, and possibly become deceived. (1 Thessalonians 5:21,22) (Acts 17:11)

 

In the very beginning of the short clip above, a man in Mecca had this to say:

“In the night I had this dream. And in the dream Jesus came. First he touched my forehead with his hand and said, “You have been saved…you have been saved. Then he opened his hand and placed it on my chest, and he said, “You belong to me.”

27) The Jesus who appeared to him in his dream was clearly not the Jesus of the Bible, but rather “another Jesus” who presented “another gospel” to him. It was more in line with Hinduism when a guru places his hand on a person’s forehead (shaktipat) in order to awaken the Kundalini serpent that is said to be coiled at the base of the spine. (You can hear a short explanation of this starting at the 4:48 minute mark in this video:

 

28) Here is a very thorough review of the Holy Ghost Movie by Tim Wirth and Sandy Simpson:

 

29) Since professing to be a Christian, Brian has become involved with many other very dangerous false teachers who are part of the New Apostolic Reformation: Todd Bentley, Patricia King, and John Crowder. As a reminder, Bill Johnson is Brian’s pastor, and he is also a part of the New Apostolic Reformation movement.

First, please watch these videos if you are not aware of who these people are:

Todd Bentley

 

 

Here is Bill Johnson praying his blessing on Todd Bentley. Not long after this prayer Todd Bentley’s healing revival came to a disastrous end when it was made known that he committed adultery.

 

Patricia King

 

 

 

 

John Crowder

 

 

 

30) If you are not aware of the beliefs of those who are part of the New Apostolic Reformation are, please watch the videos below. Just briefly, those involved with this movement believe that the Church must take dominion over  government and certain aspects of society before Jesus Christ can even return. Pastor Chris Quintana of Calvary Chapel Cypress gives an excellent teaching on this in the following video, and more very good information is also provided by Sandy Simpson of Apologetics Coordination Team in the videos that follow:

 

 

 

Another thing you will see that is a common focus in the New Apostolic Reformation movement is their focus on manifestations and angels instead of focusing on preaching the Word of God. When time allows please  consider watching these videos and please be sure to test everything in light of Scripture. (Acts 17:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22)

Bill Johnson of Bethel Church:

Keep this in mind as you watch the following video: If this is truly the glory of God manifesting at Bethel Church, do you think that you would respond the way some of these people did? Or would you fall on your face in reverent fear knowing that you were in the presence of a thrice Holy God?

 

Patricia King:

 

 

31) Here are a few recent items concerning Brian just so that you can see what he is involved in presently:

Capture Brian Head Welch - Tweet concerning being on James Robison's show promoting his new book

James and Betty Robison are some of the many who have given in to compromise:

Capture Pope Francis with James Robison Kenneth Copeland Tony Palmer John Arnott

This “incredible author” whom Brian is promoting in the following tweet is a teacher at Bill Johnson’s church –Bethel Redding CA

Capture Brian Head Welch - Tweet 3-27-16 - promotes book Hunger Driven by Brian Nickens - Bill Johnson wrote the forward - Tweet 2

As you can see in the tweet below Brian is promoting the music at Bethel Church:

Capture Brian Head Welch - Tweet promoting Bethel Music -Twet 3

In the following tweet, Brian is promoting Shawn Bolz’s new book about “hearing God’s voice.”

Capture Brian Welch - Tweet promoting Shawn Bolz Oct 24 2015

Shawn Bolz is the pastor of Expression58 Church. Note at the very bottom of this quick capture below that they promote Sozo/Inner Healing:

Capture Shawn Bolz Expression58 Church - Sozo-Inner Healing(SOURCE)

32) In case you are not aware of what Sozo is, a few years ago M’Kayla Kelly of M’KAYLA’S KORNER shared some articles on her blog on the subject, and you can read them at the link below. In the past M’Kayla was trained as a SOZO minister and she was once deeply involved at Bill Johnson’s Bethel Church, as well! (See video below under Related Videos).

INNER HEALING – CHRISTIAN OR OCCULT?

Brian and John Crowder:

Capture Brian Welch and John Crowder

The picture above was quick captured from the YouTube video entitled, “Brian Head Welch of Korn False Teacher of Christianity Part 2”

 

Now that you have a clear picture of Brian Head Welch, as well as some of the teachings of the company that he keeps and how he is clearly being influenced by people such as John Crowder and the many others involved in the New Apostolic Reformation, how is it even possible that Calvary Chapel can continue to promote him?

I never intended to focus so much on Brian Head Welch in this post. However, after doing research on him and watching videos not only put together by a dear Sister-In-Christ (YouTube user Psalm86), but also videos created by others who also expressed their serious concerns about Brian, one thing just kept continuing to lead to another. And after I found out from Psalm86 that Calvary Chapel promotes him, and because I came to realize the many spiritually dangerous people that he is involved with and how he could very well mislead many Christians who lack discernment, I decided to gather as much information as possible in order to emphasize the importance of the  following:

We as Christians are to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and lift up Him alone; we are not to exalt any person who claims to have become a Christian. Just think of the possible devastation that can take place if young Christians follow those people that Brian is endorsing and is involved with!

If you are under the impression that Brian is a strong Christian role model and that he has not been affected in a negative way spiritually by his involvement with John Crowder (just to name one person), please watch this video and ask yourself if what he says reflects true Biblical Christianity, or if he sounds like he is echoing the very language of John Crowder and others and is blasphemous, as well! We are to “test the spirits” (1 John 4:1) and to “examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said is true” or not. (Acts 17:11) This is making a righteous judgment. (John 7:24)

 

Let’s look at a few Scriptures to get a Biblical perspective on how we are to think concerning Brian, or any person who claims to be a Christian, for that matter:

“I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people — not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked man from among you.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-13)

“The Lord knows those who are His,” and “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble. If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the master and prepared to do any good work. Flee the evil desired of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord with a pure heart.” (2 Timothy 2:19-22)

“In fact everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted., while evil men and imposters will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:12-16)

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus by their fruit you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:13-20)

“Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. As obedient children do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy because I am holy.” Since you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your lives as strangers here with reverent fear. For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.” (1 Peter 1:13-19)

“Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our “God is a consuming fire.” (Hebrews 12:28,29)

 

Before I bring this post to a close, there are a few more serious concerns that you need to be aware of related to Calvary Chapel churches, and you will then see how some of these dangerous roads that I have been leading you down are merging together:

Capture Three roads merging into one

 

Concerns About Greg Laurie:

33) Many Christians are very sad and deeply concerned about Pastor Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship Church in Riverside CA and wonder what ever happened that caused him to give in to compromise and drift so far from Biblical truth! Not only has he become closely associated with Purpose Driven Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in CA over the years, but also it seems that he has now aligned himself with Lou Engel who is part of the NAR — the New Apostolic Reformation — and he promoted the Azusa Now event that just took place on April 9th:

PIRATE CHRISTIAN/BEREAN EXAMINER – AZUSA REDUX: LOU ENGLE, GREG LAURIE UNITING DENOMINATIONS?

(As a side note, Shawn Bolz and Bill Johnson of Bethel Church, along  with others such as Heidi Baker, also took part in this event, which raises the concern level for many Christians to extremely serious). (See videos below under Related Videos).

 

Below you will see a video of one of the most disturbing things that happened at this event that involves Lou Engle:

The following video reveals many more serious concerns one should have about Greg Laurie. It grieves me to have to share this video with you because when I first became a Christian I would get up early in the morning just so that I could hear him preach. He always presented a solid Biblical message! But sadly, because of the obvious choices that he has made over the years to give in to compromise, he is no longer considered trustworthy by  many Christians. (Pause the video often so that you can read all the details in the quick captures that Phil Berean on YouTube made on the important information that he added to his video):

34) Another thing that is necessary to add to the list of serious concerns about Greg Laurie is that, according to a person who once attended his church, this person began to see “signs of Spiritual Formation in Jr. High and up,” which is why that person left Greg Laurie’s church.

Please don’t make the mistake of thinking that all Calvary Chapel pastors  and those associated with Calvary Chapels have given in to compromise. That simply is not true! In the midst of the spiritual darkness that we see forming all around us, there is still hope. There are many who either once were, or still are a part of the Calvary Chapel movement who have not given in to compromise, such as Pastor Chris Quintana of Calvary Chapel Cypress. Lord willing, Pastor Chris is determined to present more Conferences similar to the recent ones that he had (such as the Defending the Faith Conference that took place in March 2016, as well as the Emerging Church Round Table Meeting that took place in February 2016)  in order to gather like-minded Christian pastors together to speak out and to warn the body of Christ concerning not only the many forms of spiritual deception that are leading many Christians astray, but also to warn Christians about the massive attempt to unite all Christians together for the sake of love and peace, and declare falsely that this is the unity that Jesus Christ prayed to His Father for in John Chapter 17. There can be no unity unless it is built upon solid Biblical truth as its foundation, not on the traditions, teachings, and philosophies of men.

35) Chris Lawson of SPIRITUAL RESEARCH NETWORK is another one who has not given in to compromise. He was once a pastor at a Calvary Chapel Church, but resigned after all his attempts to bring his valid concerns to the attention of many pastors and leaders of Calvary Chapels were ignored. He recently posted a video explaining his concerns and all that he did to try and bring… You can read his article and watch the video at the link below:

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – THE RISING STORM AND A CLARION CALL FOR HUMILITY, TRUTH, AND REPENTANCE: OBSERVATIONS FOR CALVARY CHAPEL LEADERS TO CONSIDER

Here are some more very serious concerns involving many Calvary Chapel Churches that I need to bring to your attention:

36) Many Calvary Chapels are beginning to present AWANA programs which now includes Spiritual Formation:

 

37) Roger Oakland was involved with the Calvary Chapel movement for many years and he was actually invited to be on staff by Pastor Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa CA in 1988 and he remained on staff for three years. He has been among the few who have been courageous enough to speak out to try and warn many Calvary Chapel pastors concerning the downward spiral many are taking spiritually, and has paid the price in many ways for doing so! Here are some of the serious concerns that he has recently brought to our attention:

–1 WILLOW CREEK, CALVARY CHAPEL, AND THE BIBLE

–2 CALVARY CHAPEL, BILL HYBELS, AND JSUIT MYSTICISM

–3 THE OWNERSHIP OF THE NAME “CALVARY CHAPEL” THE DOVE AND THE APPEARANCE OF A NEW SYMBOL

-4 CALVARY CHAPEL COSTA MESA AND ALPHA

When time allows please watch this video presentation by Cecil Andrews of  TAKE HEED MINISTRIES if you are not already aware of the serious concerns that many Christians have with the Alpha Course:

 

 

38) Calvary Chapel in Budapest, Hungary holds Leadership Conference where Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Church trained leaders:

ROGER OAKLAND OF ‘UNDERSTAND THE TIMES’ – CALVARY CHAPEL, BILL HYBELS, AND JESUIT MYSTICISM

39) Many who are part of the Calvary Chapel Movement are extremely concerned about the spiritual direction in which things may go in the years to come due to the fact that the new pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa is Brian Brodersen, the husband of Chuck Smith’s daughter, who is known for his strong stand for ecumenism. Here’s an article from Galatians 4 website which will give you more information, followed by the article that I previously shared with you earlier written by Roger Oakland. I am sharing it with you again because it’s related and it’s extremely important for you to be aware of this information in case you didn’t read it previously:

GALATIANS 4: BRIAN BRODERSEN: JUST ANOTHER ECUMENICAL CATHOLIC-FRIENDLY LEADER

UNDERSTAND THE TIMES – THE OWNERSHIP OF THE NAME “CALVARY CHAPEL,” THE DOVE AND THE APPEARANCE OF A NEW SYMBOL

 

40) Here is another event that took place at the end of last year that I’d like to bring your attention to in order to show you the unbiblical unity that has already been forming in the name of ecumenism:


Mike Bickle – International House of Prayer – IHOP

41) John Lanagan has written many articles concerning the unity that has recently been taking place between Catholics and International House of Prayer and you can read his many articles at the link below:

Mike Bickle, International House of Prayer

Please forgive me if I have offended any of you who are Catholic who may now be reading this, but if you take the time to read the Bible and test the teachings of your church against what God has to say in His Word, you will come to the realization that Catholicism teaches “another Jesus” and “another gospel,” both having no power to save you. Plus anyone who gets involved with the International House of Prayer — no matter what religion they may be — will head down an extremely dangerous spiritual path where the focus is on mystical experiences and the teachings are based on Scriptures that are taken out of context and twisted to teach something entirely different than what the verses actually say.

If any of you are not aware of who Mike Bickle is, or if you have never heard of the International House of Prayer and the serious concerns that many Christians have about this movement, when time allows please watch these videos:

Misty Edwards:

Below is the information that I shared with you on a previous post concerning some of the unbiblical things that Misty Edwards had to say in the following videos. This is an example of the type of teaching that is presented at International House of Prayer that is leading the youth of today into unbiblical, mystical practices because they are encouraged to have experiences with God instead of being encouraged to seek God in His Word, the Bible:

In Part 1 you will hear her share a dream she has (@ 5:06) about God coming to her in a dream ‘in the form of a man and running like a lion…’  Then she speaks about “a Buddhist monk of sorts, and there’s this aura of peace…”  But before she does, she says the following disturbing things,  starting @ 1:20…

“I believe the new thing He’s doing is He’s about to split the sky, come back to the planet as a man…I mean I really believe this-this sounds outrageous, doesn’t it?   I believe that Jesus is gonna come back to the planet as a Jewish man… (can’t understand next few words) …”brown eyes, brown hair, not that tall- Jewish man, who was born to be a king, is coming back to the planet, and He is gonna come back to the planet in response to the bride who’s gonna be singing… unified, globally.   This is intense where this thing is going.  I’m looking at your faces, and I’m going, “God, these-this is  who you’ve chosen, this is a- at least a stream of people that You’ve chosen for such a time as this, to raise up a new sound, a new song in the earth, for such a time as this to-to usher in the second coming.  I mean, do you have any idea who you are?”

MISTY EDWARDS ON PROPHETIC WORSHIP AT BREAKOUT SESSION ONE THING 2007

Here is a related article:

LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – FIRST EVER CATHOLIC SPEAKER AT IHOP-KC ONETHING CONFERENCE WAS ASKED TO SPEAK ON WISDOM OF TERESA OF AVILA, CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER- JOHN  LANAGAN

 

42) Another event that I’d like to warn you about was brought to my attention via another Facebook Suggested Post.  The next stop on the Outcry Tour takes place this month and every one of their events has the potential to draw many of our youth into embracing the dangerous unbiblical teachings of Brian Houston, Bill Johnson, Steven Furtick, etc., if they are pulled in any further than simply listening to the music!

Capture Facebook Suggested Post - OUTCRY - Hillsong, Brian Houston, Elevation Worship 4-17-16

43) In some of my previous posts I shared information with you concerning Hillsong, Jesus Culture, and Elevation Church/Steven Furtick, but now  I need to warn you of the dangers that lurk beyond the pretty face and voice of Kari Jobe. In the following video you will hear Kari talk about her song, Forever that she wrote with Bill Johnson’s son, Brian Johnson and you will hear her say the following:

“We talk about the death on the cross, and we talk about the resurrection, but that time in between is when Jesus was in hell, rendering hell, and ransacking hell, and defeating the enemy, taking those keys to death, hell, and the grave to be victorious over that when He rose from the dead.”

Please do not consider me posting the above video as being an endorsement of the site Pulpit&Pen.

Others such as Joyce Meyer teaches this heresy, as well:

Herein lies one of the dangers of attending these concerts: Even though many go because they like the music, the theology ingrained into some of the lyrics of songs written by those who hold to an unbiblical view of Christianity can have a very damaging effect on one’s beliefs –especially if the listeners choose to get involved with these pastor’s teachings at some point in the future.

 

44)For those of you who read MYSTICISM MONDAY – THE FINALE, you may remember that I mentioned they were erecting the arch from the Temple of Baal in New York and in London. Well, I am happy to share what seems to be a victorious update with you:

VICTORY! THE ARCH FROM THE TEMPLE OF BAAL PLANNED FOR NEW YORK CITY HAS BEEN CANCELLED!

However…

45) A few days after posting the link above, I came across the following  information. In part, the article says:

“The Monumental Arch [also called the Arch of Triumph] was built sometime during the reign of emperor Septimius Severus, which lasted from 193 to 211 AD; it linked the main street  of the Colonnade and the Temple of Bel.” (I  discovered this information by watching the following  video which I decided not to post  on my blog because I did not agree with some of its content, but I posted the link so as not to take credit for finding the following information on my own): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8hEyZvI2aw

Capture Monumental Arch Of Triumph - linked the main street of the colonnade and the Temple of Baal(SOURCE)

 

46) Just as I was about to bring this post to a close, some information was brought to my attention concerning my former church of over 14 1/2 years — Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows:

Women of Harvest Bible Chapel this warning is specifically for all of you! You need to be aware of an upcoming Summer Study that could possibly present you with some unbiblical advice that could cause many  of you to be led astray. Please read on:

According to the information on HBC’s website, the Rolling Meadows location  will be offering you a SUMMER STUDY that will focus on “Having Intimacy With God.”

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The term “having intimacy with God” is one that should raise a huge red flag for any discerning Christian! But it’s possible that some of you may still be under the impression that all those in Christian leadership at every church can be trusted. That simply is not true! Some in leadership just present to the people in their congregation what sells well, and some promote popular Christian authors without looking into what these authors actually teach, and they also fail to take the time to see if everything they say lines up with Scripture or not. So I’d just like to warn you that if the book that will be the focus for this SUMMER STUDY is written by Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, or Priscilla Shirer, please do not sign up! Here is a very good article and two previous posts that will give you many good reasons why you shouldn’t sign up:

 LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH – QUESTION TO THE EDITOR: WHAT ABOUT ONE THOUSAND GIFTS BY ANN VOSKAMP?

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=9593

BETH MOORE LIVE SIMULCAST  – WILL YOUR CHURCH BE BRINGING BETH MOORE TO YOUR COMMUNITY?

HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL LEADERSHIP, CHRISTIAN LEADERS, AND THE LACK OF BIBLICAL DISCERNMENT

 

Since this will be the last Warning You With Tears Wednesday post — at least for now —  I’d like to end with some articles and a few videos with information that I see as being some of the most important things for you to be aware of in light of the popularity of Beth Moore and what is taking place in the name of Christianity today. Some of these videos and articles I have shared before, but I see the need to share them with you again because they are filled with very important information that helps to truly open your eyes and fill in the blanks for all the unanswered questions you may have because of what you may see happening at your church. Be sure to pray and ask God for wisdom and discernment, and as you read the articles and watch the videos things will then begin to make sense, and you will finally realize what is actually taking place:

47) LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – NEW BOOKLET TRACT: BETH MOORE AND PRISCILLA SHIRER – THEIR HISTORY OF CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER AND WHY ‘WAR ROOM’ SHOULD NOT HAVE USED THEM – BY JOHN LANAGAN

48) If your church already has Cell Groups or is in the process of forming them, here’s some very important information by Sarah Leslie of Herescope that’s a definite must listen to:

HERESCOPE: THE CELL CHURCH – THE NEW STRUCTURE FOR THE NEW CHURCH FOR THE NEW MILLENNIUM

 

49) WHAT’S WRONG WITH THE 21ST CENTURY CHURCH? BY DR. ROBERT KLENCK

PART 1

PART 2

PART 3 

 

 

 

 

 In my previous Warning You With Tears Wednesday posts I always tried to find something to end with that would give God the praise and glory that He is so deserving of, and in this finale I will do the same but end with two items:

50) Some of you who read this blog from time to time may have seen the video I shared last year concerning the large Hadron Collider that is located in Cern Switzerland and how scientists are trying to “recreate the big bang.” Stephen Hawking, who is an extremely brilliant scientist and is also an atheist, issued this strong warning: 

“The God particle found by Cern could destroy the universe.”

Some people were quite disturbed and filled with fear after watching the above video because of the strange, paranormal things that were occurring there. (I must admit that I had a difficult time getting to sleep after watching this video for the first time late one evening last year).  However, we as Christians are not to fear. The following article will clearly show you how God is in total control –no matter what evil plans these scientists or anyone may be devising:

POP! GOES THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER –AND THE WEASEL

 

51) This article (which also has an amazing video) tells how scientists capture ‘fireworks’ during moment of conception:

 WND- STUNNING VIDEO: BRIGHT FLASH OF LIGHT WHEN LIFE BEGINS

 

IN CLOSING:

The bottom line is, as Christians we are all personally responsible for our own spiritual growth. If we are truly followers of Jesus Christ and not followers of any man (or woman) and their ministry, we will read and study God’s Word, examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said is true (Acts 17:11), and we will test all things against Scripture and hold fast to what is true. (1 Thessalonians 5:21,22)

If watching the following video doesn’t bring you to tears and to your knees in prayer, and make you realize that we are living in the last days, then I don’t know what will!

Caution! Some very disturbing images! However, what you will see will give you an idea of the demonic chaos that will take place during the seven year tribulation period as described in the book of Revelation. Please repent and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ before it’s too late!


We must also take a stand for Biblical truth and pray and ask God for the courage to speak out while there is still time. We need to earnestly contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints (Jude 3) and speak the truth in love in order to warn other Christians of the many spiritual deceptions taking place in the name of unity, love, and tolerance.

We also need to share the truth of God’s Word with those who have not yet heard the good news of the gospel so that they will hopefully choose to place their trust in Jesus Christ instead of relying upon their false religion, their good works, and their sincerity to be enough to get them into heaven.

There is a false unity forming before our eyes. Can you see it? The roads are all beginning to merge together so that we will all walk down the same path. There is the path of oneness that is achieved through mystical practices and meditation, which is presented to Christians in Spiritual Formation classes as Contemplative Prayer or silent prayer. Have you fallen prey for this simply because you trust those in leadership who presented these practices to you at your church?

There is a call for unity out of love for one another which calls for everyone to set aside those things that divide us; a call to tear down barriers based on doctrinal differences. But there can be no unity unless it is based on truth –Biblical truth.

Capture John 14 6 Bible verses pictures

Christianity is exclusive. Not all paths lead to God. There is only one way, and Jesus Christ is the way. God’s Word is truth, and the words of men cannot be trusted.

 

Capture Images of winding roads - this one is - Shooting Film - The Long and Winding Road

They would have you believe that at the end of this road of unity and oneness will be a rainbow, and the world will experience true peace, love, and happiness.

But the truth is there will be no peace until the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, returns and sets up His kingdom –without the help of man! Do not be deceived! Please read and study your Bible and pray for discernment and check into these things! God’s Word is clear:

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“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)

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Thank you very much for stopping by and taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Mary/Living4HisGlory

 

RELATED SCRIPTURES

“Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.”                               (1 Corinthians 15:33)

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:15-23)

“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” (1 Corinthians 5:9-13)

“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” (John 7:24)

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ (Matthew 7:13-20)

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.”     (1 Timothy 4:1)

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.” (1 Peter 5:8)

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15)

“But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.” (2 Peter 2:1)

“Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:26-31)

“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.  Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. (1 Corinthians 1:18-31)

“O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether. Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them! If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee. Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.” (Psalm 139:1-24)

“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel — which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:6-9)

“But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.” (2 Corinthians 11:3,4)


 

Some Scriptures are from the King James Bible and other Scriptures are from the Holy Bible, New International Version®.  Copyright© 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society.  Used by permission of Zondervan.  All rights reserved.



 

UPDATE:

As a reminder, I’ll be taking some time off so that I can focus on writing some very in depth posts in which I will be addressing some very important topics that have been weighing very heavily upon my heart over the past couple of years or so.

At the same time that I was seriously considering writing about these things, God brought some women across my path who requested that I write about the very thing that I am most deeply concerned about! This confirmed to me that I am to write about these things (which I will not be revealing to you at this time).

However, before I begin writing on that particular topic, the next post that I will be writing and sharing with you will be one in which I will be comparing the teachings found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church with God’s Word –the Bible. Because of the deep desire that I have to reach Catholics with the truth that is clearly presented in God’s Word, I will be quoting from an exact copy of the little Catholic New Testament Bible that I read back in 1980 (I gave my original copy to someone to give to her dying mother-in-law who was a Catholic). I was a Catholic for many years until God revealed the truth to me as I read that little Catholic New Testament Bible, so I am praying and believing that God will reveal the truth of His Word to many others who are presently Catholic who will read His Word, and to those Catholics who happen to come across my blog and read this upcoming post and others I have written in the past where the teachings of Catholicism are compared to the truth of God’s Word.  God’s Word will fill a Catholic with joy because it reveals what Jesus actually accomplished through His sinless life, His propitiatory sacrifice on the cross in our place for our sins, and His glorious resurrection from the dead on the third day! Sadly, Catholicism offers no assurance of salvation to Catholics. Instead they are given a  false hope by being told that they will go to a (non-existent) place called purgatory after they die where they will burn in fire for an unknown amount of time to pay for the temporal punishment due for sin.

If you are a Catholic, please consider checking back here from time to time to read this post when it’s finished (Lord willing, hopefully in June or possibly in July) so that you can see what your church actually teaches, and what God’s Word clearly says about these things. You will be faced with a difficult decision to make because you will have to choose between believing what God’s Word has to say, or believing the words of men. But it is a choice that will determine your eternal destination, that you can be sure of. So, dear Catholic, please be praying for God to reveal the truth to you, and pray also for the courage to respond to the truth shown to you through His Word. In the mean time I challenge you to read the Gospel of John and the Book of Romans and pray and ask God to open your eyes to see the truth, because reading God’s Word is truly all that you need in order to know the truth.

 

 

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Biblical Christianity is being replaced with a counterfeit spirituality where manifestations of evil spirits can clearly be seen. Here is an example of how important and truly necessary it is to pray for discernment and to test everything that is said and done by those in ministry against God’s Word. (Acts 17:11)

Heidi Baker calling down fire: ‘Heidi Baker’s Demonic Impartations’

As Roger Oakland documents in his presentation in the video below, the “spirit” which is manifesting in many churches today is not the Holy Spirit at all, but rather an unholy spirit:

 

 

 

 

 

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WHAT WOMEN NEED TO BE AWARE OF CONCERNING HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL’S UPCOMING WOMEN’S RETREAT

OUTCRY CHICAGO – THINGS YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO GO

NEW AGE LEONARD SWEET – A CHAMELEON BLENDING IN AMONG CHRISTIANS – AND – CLEAR EVIDENCE FOR A LACK OF DISCERNMENT AMONG CHRISTIANS

 

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LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS – NEW BOOKLET TRACT: NATIVE SPIRITUALITY “RENEWAL” & THE EMERGING CHURCH – BY NANCI DES GERLAISE

S.WALKER – REFLECTIONS FROM THE WALL – THE FRUIT OF BRIAN “HEAD” WELCH

S. WALKER – REFLECTIONS FROM THE WALL – THE FRUIT OF BRIAN “HEAD” WELCH PART 2

GALATIANS 4 – THE WHOSOEVERS: A “CHRISTIAN” BAND AND THEIR INTERESTING GRAPHICS

THE LAST HIKER – THE WHOSOEVERS – EVANGELISTS WITH UNSETTLING OCCULT IMAGERY

THE LAST HIKER – CALVARY CHAPEL GOLDEN SPRINGS INVITES A WOLF TO TEACH THE SHEEP

ANDREW STROM – JOHN THE BAPTIST TV – WARNING – BILL JOHNSON AND BETHEL CHURCH

 

I have truly enjoyed blogging for the past almost six years here on WordPress, and, Lord willing, I hope to continue for many years to come.

Just as WordPress put together an annual report for our blogs last year, the WordPress.com stats helper monkeys prepared a 2014 annual report for our blogs this year, as well, and I’d like to share that with you now.

Here’s an excerpt:

The concert hall at the Sydney Opera House holds 2,700 people. This blog was viewed about 22,000 times in 2014. If it were a concert at Sydney Opera House, it would take about 8 sold-out performances for that many people to see it.

Click here to see the complete report.

If you choose to view the report, you will see that the most viewed posts for 2014 were once again mainly the posts that I wrote in which I expressed my concerns about what has been taking place at my former church of almost 15 years —Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows. I hope and pray that God used me — and will continue to use me — to help and to encourage those of you who have been searching the Internet hoping to find information to confirm some of the concerns you may have about what has been happening there, and sadly, is continuing to happen there.

I want to again take a moment to tell all of you that I am not an angry or bitter person seeking to bash James MacDonald or Harvest Bible Chapel, but rather I am a person who ‘earnestly contends for the faith’ and who desires all Christians to be Bereans (Acts 17:11) by strongly encouraging them to  ‘examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said (and done by every teacher and preacher) is true,’ and to warn you to be followers of Jesus Christ and not followers of a man and his ministry so that none of you will be led astray. I am simply a concerned person who is trying  reach those of you who are now like I once was; confused, hurt, and disappointed in many of the decisions that James has made (and is still making), and I want to help confirm your concerns by providing information that you may not be aware of that you need to know about in order to help you discern what is taking place there. (For those of you who choose to classify me as a hater, I will be writing a poem (Lord willing) entitled ‘CALL ME A HATER‘  in 2015, so if you are interested in reading that, consider checking my blog out from time to time in the months to come).

If you look at the posts that I began writing in March of 2009 when I first set up this blog, you will see that the whole focus of my posts was sharing some of the painful experiences that I went through before I became a Christian and how God brought healing and hope to me after I discovered the good news of the gospel while reading His Word, the Bible. My intentions in writing those poems were to not only give glory to God for bringing me through all those heartbreaking and overwhelming circumstances in life, but also I wrote those poems hoping that God would use them to reveal truth to Catholics, as well as to encourage those of you who are presently going through heartbreak and rejection so that you might come to understand that you will find hope and healing, as well as forgiveness and true peace, through Jesus Christ alone.  However, after I began to see what was increasingly taking place in the name of ‘Christianity’ over the past five or so years, which was seeing many new age practices entering many  churches, I saw the need to begin writing posts in order to warn Christians about these things, as well. It was only after I left HBC in January of 2012 immediately following the Elephant Room 2 Conference, did I begin to write about HBCRM because it was my desire to reach those of you who were feeling so alone as I once felt because I thought I was the only one who had serious concerns about what was taking place there until my concerns were confirmed by the information I found on other blogs. Then, with the hope of reaching many of you who attend HBCRM in order to share my concerns with you, I wrote my first full post focusing on Harvest, entitled, WARNING YOU WITH TEARS, which became the most read post in 2012 thanks to a little Mega-Mouse on Twitter who uses his (or her?) tweets to express the valid concerns he (or she?) has by what he (or she) observes there.

I would just like to end this post by expressing my sincere appreciation to those of you who have been reading my blog over the past five years, and well as to those of you who took the time to share a few words of encouragement with me. Because of your encouragement and interest in reading these posts, it makes all the time and effort I put into writing them well worth it! Thank you once again!

God bless each of you in 2015! May you all come to an understanding of the depth of the love that He has for you, and I pray that a desire will grow within your hearts to seek Him and to know truth by reading and studying His Word so that you will never be led into spiritual deception!

Capture I the LORD do not changeIf there’s one thing we can rely on these days in spite of the fact that our world is changing so drastically, it’s the ‘unchanging’ nature of God and the ‘unchanging’ truth of God’s Word –the Bible (though I must add that ‘The Message’ and ‘The Voice’ translations are excluded as being ‘God’s Word’ because of the ‘new age’ terminology and the distortions of Scriptures presented in these versions). 

Sadly, however, many of us who are true Christians — born of the Spirit of God —  are also seeing many of our once strong and committed pastors and teachers beginning to change, as well.  And these changes are not for the better!  Instead of a pastor focusing on the importance of his role to ‘preach the Word’ of God and to ‘equip the saints’ and trust God to grow the church as He has always been faithful to do in the past, they have been led into falling for worldly strategies of growing the church by non-Christians such as Peter Drucker.  Rather than ‘contending for the faith’ they now are not only uniting with some pastors and teachers  (who many have serious concerns about)  at conferences, but also they are placing some of these ‘pastors’ in their own pulpits! 

Some are even involving themselves with unbiblical, and even demonic, mystical, spiritual practices such as ‘breath prayers,’ ‘contemplative prayer,’ ‘visualization techniques,’ –occultic practices often cloaked in Christian terminology claiming to allow the ‘Christian’ to ‘hear from God‘ or to ‘connect with God on a deeper, more intimate level.’  (Much more on this in an upcoming post —Lord willing).  God’s Word is no longer seen as the way to hear from God…now it’s all about ‘experiences.’  But to those who are not cautious and who fail to continually test things in light of Scripture, these techniques will lure them in and lead them astray.

How could it be that so many pastors and teachers are going astray?  Is it for the love of money, position, or power?  A ‘mid-life crisis’ maybe? What sin is at the root of all these serious changes we are seeing? 

Is it pride that has caused many of them to close their ears to not only the pleadings of their people to disassociate with certain pastors, but also to the legitimate and serious concerns their people are expressing to them?

God’s Word gives us a picture of the condition  that this world will be in before the return of Christ, as well as Scriptures that give an alarmingly accurate picture of ‘Christianity’ today.  Here are just a few of them:

“For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.” (Luke 21:10,11)

“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of His coming?  For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” (2 Peter 3:3,4)

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there be a falling away first…”  (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.”         (1 Timothy 4:1)

**UPDATED MON. 2-17-14 6:20p.m.** May I suggest to you that the reason many of us are seeing pastors and teachers who once strongly stood for Biblical truth without wavering, is because many are choosing to  –compromise.  Take for instance, Pastor Greg Laurie.  When he preached a sermon he always gave a clear gospel presentation complete with making each listener understand they must be willing to repent; to turn from sin and follow Christ, and I believe he still does.  However, there are other things Greg Laurie is doing that gives many of us valid reasons to be concerned.  I’ll share one example with you that I found out from speaking to a person I met on the Internet who left Greg Laurie’s church.  This person told me at the end of 2012 that they “saw signs of spiritual formation in junior high and up.” 

If you are not aware of what Spiritual Formation is, I highly recommend this article (and all the articles) by Pastor Gary Gilley SPIRITUAL FORMATION

Below is a portion of that article that explains the philosophy of Spiritual Formation:

“The Spiritual Formation Movement is concerned more about individual experience than biblical knowledge or truth.  This does not mean that adherents are totally uninterested in the Bible, and some would know it well.  But the emphasis is on what a person experiences through the Bible more so than what they learn.  Contemplatives, such as Dallas Willard and Richard Foster, will strongly encourage Bible reading and prayer but they mean something different from what most Christians mean when they reference the same terms.  As we will see in future articles, contemplative prayer is not the same as prayer defined biblically; “sacred reading” (also called “lectio divina” of Scripture is not the same as Bible study; meditation (mystically encountering God) is not the same as knowing God and so forth.  Many of the same terms are used, but as the classical liberals, and the more recent emergents, are fond of doing, they take our terms, including biblical ones, and give them new definitions and twists.” 

Now back to what I was saying about Greg Laurie: When I first became a Christian and didn’t yet have a full-time job, I would eagerly get up early every morning to hear him preach on the radio instead of sleeping for an extra hour or so.  Never did I think the day would come when he would give in to compromise!  However…one day when I got up in the morning and turned on my computer, I saw the following video on YouTube:

Here is the late Pastor Chuck Smith (who sadly, also gave in to compromise) introducing Rick Warren as his “good friend” at —Greg Laurie’s Harvest Crusade in 2009:

For those of you who are still unaware of the serious concerns that many of us have with Rick Warren, I urge you to watch this video that I added to many of my other posts, as well, because of the detailed and very important information this video contains on Rick Warren:

**ADDED 2-17-14** And then there’s Francis Chan.  I never heard of him before until my former pastor, James MacDonald, recommended his book ‘Crazy Love‘ one Sunday during his sermon.  I did a ‘search’ on him that day to find out who he was, and at first he just seemed like a very humble man who desired to wholeheartedly seek after God and live an extremely simple life in order to give to the poor.  However, as time went on he began to get involved in promoting the unbiblical practice of  ‘Lectio Divina‘ along with Lecrae, Beth Moore, Louie Giglio, and John Piper at the Passion 2012 Conference.  After reading portions of Ephesians, each speaker would stop and say things like this: 

Beth Moore: “Without any comment, please, let’s pause and be still and ask Jesus to speak His Word to us.”  Let’s pause, be still, and let God’s Word speak to us.” 

Lecrae: “Pause, reflect, and hear from the Lord.” 

John Piper: “Let’s be quiet and ask the Lord to speak.” 

You can’t see it in the video above, but at this conference they had a banner in the background that said “Jesus, speak to me.”  In my search to document that for you, I came across the following, thanks to Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries:

Capture Jesus Speak To Me - Passion 2012 Conference SOURCE :APPRISING MINISTRIES – BETH MOORE AND JOHN PIPER LEAD LECTIO DIVINA – LITE AT PASSION 2012

Didn’t God’s Word already speak to them? They just read the whole book of Ephesians out loud, so for them to say to “Be still, and let God’s Word speak” seems to imply they are desiring to hear more than what can be learned by examining the passage of Scripture in context to see what God already said to us through His Word in this particular book, this one being Ephesians. Though God may speak to someone on extremely rare occasions, they are presenting this as a normative practice to be embraced by all Christians.  Everything God wants us to know has already been recorded in His Word, the Bible, and Jesus was God’s final Word to us:

“In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom also He made the universe.  The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word.” (Hebrews 1:1-3a)

Also, I had heard that there were some who attended Passion 2012 who left there doubting their salvation because they didn’t hear Jesus personally speak to them.  It was mainly because of what Louie Giglio said to them at this conference.  Once again, in my search to find what Louie Giglio actually said so I could share it with you, I found that on the same post by Ken Silva.  These are the words of Louie Giglio at the close of session 5:

“How many of you heard the voice of God speak specifically, clearly, directly, and personally, to you? Can you just put a hand up?  I’d like you to share it.  Can you put a hand up for a minute? 

Just want you to look around; that’s people saying, “God Almighty (pause) the Maker of heaven (pause) the one Who’s sitting on the only throne (pause) that’s not under threat (long pause, audience cheers) –He spoke to me. He spoke to me.”

“God spoke to me.”  (long pause)  Don’t let the voice of the darkness, tell you that you are not (pause) worth (pause) that God would not speak to you.  (pause)  Don’t let him tell you, you don’t matter.  (pause) God spoke to you.” (SOURCE) Apprising Ministries

Then, to make matters even worse, on December 30, 2013, Francis Chan chose to take part in an event at IHOP (International House Of Prayer), where he openly praised its leader, Mike Bickle, thus giving credibility to Mike Bickle and IHOP.  If you are not aware of the unbiblical teachings of Mike Bickle, as well as the unscriptural manifestations and even deadly things that have taken place within this movement, I strongly urge you to watch this video and read the articles below it:

ARTICLE: LOVE AND DEATH IN THE INTERNATIONAL HOUSE OF PRAYER

**UPDATED 2-19-14** EXCELLENT AND THOROUGH ARTICLE FROM THE HERESCOPE BLOG: THE PASSION OF THE PRESENCE

When we as Christians — especially pastors — consider getting involved with another pastor, teacher, or a movement claiming to be ‘Christian,’ we have the God-given responsibility of testing everything in light of Scripture (Acts 17:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22) and we also  need to seriously consider the warnings of those who know more than we may know about a certain person or movement, and check it out before choosing to get involved.  But sadly, as you can hear in the very beginning of the video I posted above, Francis Chan ignored the warnings he received and chose to publicly proclaim to those in attendance at that IHOP event,  the following:

“This is the first time I’ve ever been to an IHOP event.  Which is..it’s kinda crazy to me because I didn’t know that much, and, you know, so I kinda went on the Internet and started looking things up  and, I go ‘man there’s a lot of great things going on here. ‘ And today’s was the first time I ever met Mike Bickle, and, I love that guy.  I do.

There’s people that told me not to…hang out with him.  Like, you know, you know, words like creepy come up and yet I get to know this guy and I’m going,  “Man I love his heart.”  And I just want to publicly say, I love Mike Bickle.”

Then there’s Mega-pastors, Steven Furtick  of Elevation Church in Charlotte N. Carolina, and Perry Noble of Newspring Church in S. Carolina.  Both of whom my former pator, James MacDonald, is  deeply involved with.  I’ll start with Steven Furtick.

INFORMATION CONCERNING STEVEN FURTICK: 

As I shared with you in my >WARNING YOU WITH TEARS< post, Steven Furtick took James MacDonald’s place in the pulpit on August 14, 2011 when James was on his summer break.  Steven Furtick was also one of the pastors who took part in the ‘Elephant Room Conference,’  an idea that James MacDonald had that could have turned into something good, but instead ended in disaster.  (You can also read about that on the previously mentioned post).  I had never heard of Steven Furtick before all of that took place, so I cannot comment on how he was when he first started out, but I can share with you what is presently happening that many find rather disturbing.  Below is something I again found posted by someone on Twitter.  You can find this posted on Elevation Church’s Website.  Read all the points below and see if you find some of their reasons just a little bit disturbing as many other people do –including me:

Capture Reasons Elevation Church is the Best Place to Work

Capture ELEVATION CHURCH COLORING BOOK

Just now (1:47p.m. 2-19-14) I found the above picture through a tweet on Twitter by Stand Up For The Truth.’  This is an illustration from a coloring book at ‘Elevation Church‘ called ‘The Code,’ in which it appears that at a very early age, the children — along with the adults at ‘Elevation Church‘ — are learning that:

Elevation Church is built on the vision God gave Pastor Steven.”  And that Elevation Churchwill protect our unity in supporting his vision.”  

I don’t know about you, but I find this rather creepy and downright disturbing!  SOURCE

There’s so much information coming out on Twitter concerning Steven Furtick and Elevation Church that I’m finding it hard to keep up!  Here’s something else for you to take a close look at; ‘The Code‘ for Elevation Kidz that Steven Furtick wants them all to learn:

Capture elevation kids - the code

(SOURCE) FOUND IN TWEET POSTED BY CHRIS ROSEBROUGH

1. We are a generation of honor

2. We act in audacious faith

3.We eat the fish and leave the bones

4. We are known for what we are for

5. We lead the way in generosity

Don’t you find it rather concerning that Jesus isn’t even mentioned in the Kidz Code?

STEVEN FURTICK ADDRESSING ELEVATION CHILDREN TO LEARN ‘THE CODE’

Just searched YouTube and found this precious little girl, Isabella, who seems to know ‘the code’ quite well:

Please pray for the children and families at Elevation Church.  One can only hope and pray that the children at ‘Elevation‘ are learning that our lives should be built upon Christ and His Word as our solid foundation!  (Matthew 7:24-27) (1 Corinthians 3:10,11)  Somehow by all this new information, I am finding it very hard to believe, because the focus clearly is more on Steven Furtick and Elevation Church rather than on Jesus Christ and His Word.

Here are two more“creepy,” things that I heard concerning Steven Furtick and Elevation Church while listening to Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith:

IN THE VIDEO BELOW, CHRIS ROSEBROUGH DISCUSSES ‘VISION CASTING’ WITH ‘ISSUES, ETC.’S,TODD WILKEN.  AT THE 29:10 MARK YOU WILL HEAR THE ‘CREEPY’ CODE FOR STEVEN FURTICK’S, ELEVATION CHURCH, AT 43:10 MINUTE MARK YOU WILL HEAR JAMES MACDONALD SPEAKING TO A GROUP OF PASTORS ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE ‘DIVISIVE’ MAN, AND  AT THE 45:45 MINUTE MARK YOU WILL HEAR WHAT MARK DRISCOLL HAS TO SAY CONCERNING THOSE WHO WILL OPPOSE THE ‘VISION’ OF MARS HILL CHURCH.  NOTE THE EVIL IN HIS VOICE AS HE SPEAKS.  THOUGH I FIND ALL OF THESE CLIPS DISTURBING, MARK DRISCOLL’S CLIP IS THE MOST DISTURBING AND CLEARLY HIS ATTITUDE DOES NOT REFLECT CHRIST AT ALL!

CLICK BELOW TO LISTEN TO CHRIS ROSEBROUGH’S DEC. 16th 2013 PROGRAM:

>>STEVEN FURTICK’S CREEEEEEEPY COMEDY<<

At the links below, you will read about some more disturbing information concerning Steven Furtick and Elevation Church that I also found today on Twitter.  More and more we are seeing manipulative tactics being used on people who attend mega-churches in order to bring about the results that only God can produce in a person’s heart.  Clearly and sadly, many ‘pastors’ today view the church simply as an organization or corporation, and they are using the strategies of men to produce growth and results.  May God bring all who participate in things similar to this to true repentance, for they will stand before a Holy God one day and give an account for all they have done and their motives for doing so, as will each and every one of us have to do. (1 Corinthians 3:12-16)

MORE REASONS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT STEVEN FURTICK:

HOW ELEVATION CHURCH PASTOR FURTICK PRODUCE SPONTANEOUS BAPTISM – BY STUART WATSON<

HOW STEVEN FURTICK ENGINEERED A SPONTANEOUS MIRACLE – BY JAMES DUNCAN OF ‘PAJAMA PAGES’ BLOG

I must admit that over the 14 1/2 years that I attended Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows, Pastor James would frequently have ‘spontaneous baptisms’ as Steven Furtick does at Elevation Church.  Sadly, it wouldn’t surprise me if the same manipulative tactics that are clearly used at Elevation Church are also used at Harvest Bible Chapel.

AT THE 45 MINUTE MARK AT THE LINK BELOW, CHRIS ROSEBROUGH POINTS OUT THE SERIOUS AND EVEN BLASPHEMOUS THINGS STEVEN FURTICK SAYS IN AN INTERVIEW WITH SANDY KRAKOWSKI CONCERNING HIS NEW BOOK, ‘CRASH THE CHATTERBOX’

CHRIS ROSEBROUGH — FURTICK’S CHATTERBOX BLASPHEMY

STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH PODCAST – WHEN DOES A CHURCH CROSS INTO A CULT

**UPDATED 3-4-14** FINAL POINT WHY YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT STEVEN FURTICK:

Last year at the ‘Holy Trinity Brompton  Leadership Conference,’ Steven Furtick said the following starting @4:15:

“I feel real strongly what God put in me to give to you tonight…”  “So I want to share with you…tonight from the Old Testament book of 2 Kings, and I want to share with you about a transitional moment in the life of Elisha the prophet.  And if you’ll stay with me in this sermon…I don’t know that you’ll take a lot of notes…usually when I come to a conference like this by this point I feel like I cannot write another thing…I have a notebook full of ideas, and…I feel like I don’t need another piece of information at this point.  So with that in mind, I thought I would get a little bit beyond the information realm, and…maybe we can move together tonight into a time of impartation (someone cheers at this point) and then maybe together we can see if  God would bring us into a… an encounter  with Him before we leave this place that…will change us and change our world.” (applause) SOURCE

In case you’re wondering why what Steven Furtick said should be very concerning, and in case you’re not aware of what ‘a time of impartation’ is to many leaders in the Charismatic Movement, please consider watching the following videos I posted below.  Briefly I will just say that since 1990 Nicky Gumbel has been the leader of the Alpha Course, and Holy Trinity Brompton Church is known for their promotion of the ‘Toronto Blessing‘ which includes ‘manifestations of animal noises,’ people being ‘slain in the spirit,’people acting ‘drunk in the spirit‘, and many other unbiblical manifestations as you will see in the second video that I posted below.

BENNY HINN HAVING A TIME OF IMPARTATION:

SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY BY ANDREW STROM:

ALPHA –  ATTEND OR AVOID – CECIL ANDREWS – PART 1 OF 2

Is it possible that Steven Furtick has gotten involved with these types of manifestations since he has become involved with Nicky Gumbel?  I am only speculating at this point, but it really makes you wonder why he used the term ‘a time of impartation‘ instead of ‘a time of prayer.’

**UPDATED 2-20-14** INFORMATION CONCERNING PERRY NOBLE:

Just as with Steven Furtick, I never heard of Perry Noble until information came out concerning the first ‘Elephant Room Conference‘ in which he took part in along with Steven Furtick and others.  As many in the ‘Church Growth Movement‘ do, Perry Noble chooses to use worldly methods to appeal to unbelievers in order to bring them into the church.  And in April of 2009 he chose to play AC DC’s song, ‘Highway To Hell‘ at his Easter Service at Newspring Church.  His reason for doing so, however, does not line up with what he declared during the ‘Elephant Room Conference.’  In the video below you will hear not only a short clip from ‘The Elephant Room Conference‘  in which Perry Noble explains his reason for doing so, but also you will hear him explain to his whole church congregation the reason why he played ‘Highway to Hell‘ for his Easter service.  His reason seems quite clear by what he says, but ultimately God will be the one who will judge his motives:

After listening to what he says in the video above, I encourage you to listen to the entire segment that took place during the Elephant Room Conference at the first link below where you can hear James MacDonald, Mark Driscoll, and Perry Noble discuss his decision to play that song in church:

SHOULD CHURCH LEADERS PLAY “HIGHWAY TO HELL” TO REACH UNBELIEVERS – CHURCHLEADERS WEBSITE

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ERIC YOUNG ‘HIGHWAY TO HELL’ BY PHIL JOHNSON VIS A VIS PERRY NOBLE JAMES MACDONALD AND THE DEMISE OF THE EVANGELICAL DISCERNMENT

A REVIEW OF PERRY NOBLE’S SERMON FROM AC/DC SUNDAY – IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT HE PLAYED THE SONG, ‘HIGHWAY TO HELL’ DID PERRY NOBLE AT LEAST PREACH THE GOSPEL ON EASTER OF 2009? READ HIS THOROUGH REVIEW AT THE LINK BELOW AND FIND OUT:

‘DEFENDING.CONTENDING.’BLOG – PERRY NOBLE’S MESSAGE FROM AC/DC SUNDAY

JAMES DUNCAN OF ‘PAJAMA PAGES’ – WHO KNEW YOU NEEDED AN EXCUSE NOT TO PLAY HIGHWAY TO HELL?

**UPDATED 2-28-14** INFORMATION CONCERNING JAMES MACDONALD:

Then there’s my former pastor, James MacDonald of Harvest Bible Chapel, Rolling Meadows, whom I deeply appreciated because of his strong stand for Biblical truth and how he would preach God’s Word without apology.  After leaving my former Assembly of God Church of 16 years because the leadership was beginning to get involved with the ‘Pensacola revival,’ I was finally beginning to trust a pastor again, and felt assured that James would be a pastor who would never give in to compromise.  However, as many of us now know, sadly he did begin to change.  If I had to pinpoint exactly when he started to change, I can say without a doubt it was right after he came back from staying with Greg Laurie when he was having his cancer treatments.  And by reading some comments on The Elephant’s Debt and comments on some of the posts on Blood Stained Ink, I know that many other people who used to attend HBCRM (and some who still attend) have come to that same realization.  Whether Greg Laurie influenced him in some way, or someone else did, it was obvious to many of us that he was no longer the same James MacDonald that we once knew and looked forward to hearing when he preached almost every Saturday evening and Sunday morning.  He changed so much that one morning as I heard him preaching I actually had these thoughts: 

“Who are you, and where is the real James MacDonald?  Did someone clone him and replace the real James with his clone?” 

One day when I was doing a ‘search’ on the Internet, I came across the following article which made me laugh:

CAREFULLY SCRIPTED ELEPHANT AVOIDANCE — E R SAGA (PART 3) — BY CAMERON BUETTEL

It was rather comforting knowing now that I wasn’t the only one who had some outlandish thoughts about James because the changes in him were so obvious and rather concerning!  In the article above which was written on February 10th 2012, Cameron Buettel said the following:

“It would seem that my theory about the real James MacDonald being abducted by aliens some time last year is not as far fetched as my doubters first thought.  Of the multitudes of weird things James MacDonald has done over the last year or so, perhaps the most alarming was his invitation to TD Jakes to attend his Elephant Room Conference where “brothers” discuss their methodological differences.” (SOURCE)

Yes, Cameron, I am in total agreement!  And  because of what happen that night concerning T D Jakes   —  as I explained in detail in my WARNING YOU WITH TEARS post — I did not return to Harvest Bible Chapel, Rolling Meadows — my church of over 14 1/2 years — ever again.

**UPDATED 2-27-14** As previously mentioned, James came up with the idea of the ‘Elephant Room Conference.’  We then began to see James form a close bond (or should I say they formed a “tribe,” as they referred to it in these ‘Elephant Room’ conferences) with pastors that many of us have valid concerns about: Mark Driscoll, Steven Furtick, Perry Noble…and then in ER2 there was T D Jakes –a known Modalist.  An idea that could have been amazing if James would have firmly, but lovingly held each pastor accountable to God’s Word and challenged them in certain areas where they were compromising, sadly ER2 ended in disaster because of how TDJakes was basically declared as having embraced the Biblical understanding of the Trinity, when it was obvious to many Biblical scholars who examined all that he had said that night that he was still using the language of a Modalist.  (Please consider listening to the many videos I added on my ‘Warning You With Tears’ post that examine all that T D Jakes said at ‘ER2’ in light of Scripture and in light of how one who does not believe in the Doctrine of the Trinity describes God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit). And even though James did stand his ground concerning Perry Noble’s idea of playing ‘Highway To Hell’ and constantly and firmly said it “was a bad idea,” and said,  “”I just don’t get it at all,”  and “The message of ‘Highway To Hell’ is blatantly offensive,” if you listen to the link I posted above — ‘Should Church Leaders Play ‘Highway To Hell’ To Reach Unbelievers,’ —  after James continued to listen to Perry Noble justify his reasons for playing it, near the end you will sadly hear James suddenly begin to change his once firm stand on his strong opposition to it.  Towards the end of the video after listening to Perry Noble constantly defend his decision to play ‘HTH’, he asks Matt Chandler if he would play ‘HTH’ in his church, and then James says the following: 

“He’s really making me think.  I gotta say that.  I mean he’s really making me think… he has a strategy, it’s thought through…he believes it honors God, he doesn’t think he’s compromising in any way.” Like he is on it with a passion, and a reason, and defending it –toe to toe.” …”He’s thought it through very carefully” 

After Matt Chandler expresses concern about the possibility that pastors may fly into license; all things are permissible,’ James says:

“To me personally I would never allow something that so defames the glory of God and the reputation of Jesus.  I would not allow it in my service.  Unclean!  I would not allow it.” 

Concerning Perry Noble’s decision to play ‘Highway To Hell,’ Mark Driscoll asked James: 

“…do you think it was a sin against God?” 

James replied:

“…I don’t doubt his motives and I definitely don’t think it was sin for him to do it…” 

“Here’s my thought on the subject for what it’s worth:  I’m already being instructed by this.  Frankly I’m not surprised, but I’m blessed by the sincerity, and the intentionality with which you’re doing the things that you’re doing.  Like I’m instructed by that.  I’m going have to think about that –some more.  My perspective is this:  If it doesn’t adorn the gospel…it’s the beauty of Christ that’s at stake in everything we do.  The glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” (Then quotes 2 Corinthians 3:18 )

“If it doesn’t adorn the beauty of God’s great Son, if it doesn’t display Him and show Him off…it’s the manifest presence  of God in the service which is the powerful life changing element.   I believe that if it doesn’t adorn the gospel it doesn’t advance the gospel.  We may see fruit…some fruit from it…we may draw people with it, we may draw decisions with it…and I’ll say it as simply as I know how in summary: I do think that if it doesn’t adorn the gospel, it doesn’t advance the gospel.”

Perry Noble says, in part:

…I think it was used to adore, and be used to advance the gospel because the song was redeemed.”

James replied:

“I’m gonna just say that I’m really blessed by you right now because your…your thinking is a lot different that I thought it was gonna to be.  I think you’re wrong about it.  But you really have thought it through…as you said, ‘we prayed on it’…”  “I’m just gonna stand on that point… if it doesn’t make Jesus more beautiful to people it’s not advancing our mission.”  ” If it’s not elevating God and God’s glory and God’s great Son then it’s not advancing the mission.  I really struggle with this idea that to be-in order to connect people  with Christ you have to be like them.  That ‘I gotta become like them to reach them’ is something that uh…I’m just not there yet.”

Perry: 

That’s what Jesus did.”

James: 

“Yeah?” (Silence for 3 seconds, and then James says:  “That would take another session.” 

James:

All right.  Fantastic.  Let’s wrap it up.” 

And then that particular ‘conversation’ came to an end.

These conferences seemed more like ‘Hegelian Dialectic‘ sessions where the goal is to wear down those with opposing views so they conform to the beliefs of the majority.  Did you notice how James would have his focus on Scripture, and yet notice how many times “I think”  was said instead of them keeping their focus on the truth of God’s Word and the Holiness of God and the reverence that we should have in our times of worship.  A shift began to take place where the belief of playing something so horrendous in a church as ‘Highway To Hell‘ was slowly becoming a possibility…at the very end it seemed that James might possibly consider trying to ‘be like them to reach them‘ with maybe a little more time and a little more thought.

We cannot be led by our feelings or our own ideas and justify something by simply saying, “We prayed about it.”  Our standard to judge what’s right and wrong must always be God’s Word, and we must never lose sight of the fact that God is pure and completely Holy and our worship we give to Him must be nothing less than that; pure and completely holy! 

“…worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our God is a consuming fire.”  (Hebrews 12:28,29)

If you are not aware of what the Hegelian Dialectic Process is, I highly encourage you to watch the following video: 

Just think of the many who attended ER2 in January 2012 or watched by live stream and walked away that night believing that TD Jakes indeed is a “brother-in-Christ.”  Think of those who bought the DVD’s, and those who are not firmly grounded in the truth of God’s Word who may even begin to  listen to his sermons and be caught up in his ‘Word of Faith‘ false teachings, which is another serious error in T D Jakes‘ teachings that James and the other pastors chose not to address and confront him on that night.  Those of us who are ‘born of the Spirit,’ must be Bereans and examine the Scriptures daily to see if what is being said (and done by those who claim to speak for God) is true,’  (Acts 17:11) so that we will not be deceived.  We are not to trust in men but in God alone.  Pastors and teachers are to follow Christ and His command to ‘preach the Word,’ and to ‘go and make disciples,’ and not be led astray by following the dictates of their deceitful hearts.

Not only have  some people lost sight of the Holiness of God, but also many have lost their fear of God.  Profanity in the pulpit is a common occurrence in many churches today, when God’s Word clearly says otherwise, concerning the speech and conversations of those who profess to be followers of Christ and leaders in the church, as you can see from some of the Scriptures I posted further down.

When friendships with certain people begin to eclipse our ability to discern, and if our acceptance by others slowly becomes more important that our desire to honor and please God, you can be sure that it will be the beginning of a continuous downward spiral.  And that is what I believe we are all witnessing concerning James and many pastors and teachers today –compromise for the sake of ‘unity’  and acceptance which not only causes one to harden their heart against the warnings and truth presented in God’s Word, but also hinders them from discerning truth from error. 

Here’s another example:  In January, James went away for some rest.  And by his tweet below you can see that on one of those days he attended Perry Noble’s Newspring Church.  And concerning Perry Noble’s new series on ‘CHANGE,’ he said the following:

Capture James MacDonald at New Spring Church Jan. 12, 2014

I haven’t yet listened to the actual sermon that James listened to on that particular Sunday, but it was entitled: Three Things That Must Happen For Change To Happen.’  If you’d like, you can go to Newspring Church’s website and listen to it in light of Scripture (Acts 17:11) and come to your own conclusion.

If you’d like to listen to a Biblical analysis of one of Perry Noble’s sermons in his series on Change, you can listen to Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith,’ at the link below.  That will give you a glimpse into how Perry Noble misapplies Scripture, and will also leave you wondering why James would publicly tell his followers on Twitter that one of Perry Noble’s sermons is “great.”  Maybe that particular one was, but by all the other ones I have heard him  ‘preach,’ I am sorry to say that it is highly unlikely that it was.

MISADVENTURES IN BAD HERMENEUTICS – PERRY NOBLE TURNS JOHN 3:16 INTO A TITHING TEXT

Here’s an example of how Perry Noble clearly takes  Scriptures out of context.  In this video Perry takes Scriptures that can only apply to Jesus and applies them to Steven Furtick!  It is not a stretch at all that Chris Rosebrough entitled the following video, THE BLASPHEMOUS GOSPEL OF STEVEN FURTICK BY PERRY NOBLE’

Another concern we should have with James and his involvement with — and promotion of — Perry Noble, is the fact that Perry Noble promotes the book, SACRED MARRIAGE by Gary Thomas.  In the following video Perry says:

It is the best book on marriage written,” and “…very excellent information that everybody needs to hear”

And in case you’re wondering why Perry Noble promoting that book by Gary Thomas is concerning to many, please consider reading the following articles at Lighthouse Trails at the link below this ‘quick capture‘ and you will understand why you should be concerned about Perry Noble or any pastor promoting a book by Gary Thomas.  Here’s an excerpt from one of those articles which clearly reveals why many are concerned about the unbiblical and even mystical teachings that Gary Thomas presents in his books:

Capture GARY THOMAS SACRED MARRIAGE AND MYSTICISMSOURCE

ARTICLES AT LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS-GARY THOMAS SACRED MARRIAGE AND MYSTICISM

 

SCRIPTURES FOR YOU TO REFLECT ON

“Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights who does not change like shifting shadows.” (James 1:17)

“He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change His mind; for He is not a human being, that He should change His mind.” (1 Samuel 15:29)

“I the LORD do not change.” (Malachi 3:6a)

“People swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument.  Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of His purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, He confirmed it with an oath.  God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged.  We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure.”                    (Hebrews 6:16-19a)

 

**2-9-14 ** PLEASE READ THESE SCRIPTURES WITH THIS QUESTION IN MIND: DO THE QUALITIES IN SOME OF THESE SCRIPTURES DESCRIBE MY PASTOR?

“To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s suffering who also will share in the glory to be revealed: Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them–not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.” (1 Peter 5:1-3)

“Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task.  Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.  He must manage his own family well and see that his own family obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect.  (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil.  He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.”  (1 Timothy 3:1-7) 

“An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.  Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless–not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.  Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined.  He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.” (Titus 1:6-9)

“The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.  For Scripture says,  “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.”  Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.  But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.  I charge you in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.” (1 Timothy 5:17-21)

“So Christ Himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip His people for works of service, so the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fulness of Christ.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of Him who is the head, that is, Christ.” (Ephesians 4:11-15)

“I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned.  Keep away from them.  For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites.  By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.” (Romans 16:17,18)

“Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you.  For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God.  Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.  Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.  I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.  Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.  So be on your guard!  Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:26-31)

“Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the Word of truth.”  (2 Timothy 2:15)

“In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke, and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” (2 Timothy 4:1-4)

“For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be.  I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder.” (2 Corinthians 12:20)

“You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good.  For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.  The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.  But I tell you that man will have to give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.  For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 12:34-37)

“Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children.  And live a life of love,just as Christ loved us and gave Himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.”  But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.  Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or course joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.  For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person — such a man is an idolater — has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.  Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.  Therefore do not be partners with them.  For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord.  Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness, and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord.  Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.  For it is shameful to even mention what the disobedient do in secret.  But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible.  This is why it is said,  “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”  Be very careful, then, how you live — not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil.”  (Ephesians 5:1-16)

“But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.”  (Colossians 3:8)

“Let your conversations be always full of grace, …so that you may know how to answer everyone.”  (Colossians 4:6)

“Do not keep talking so proudly or let your mouth speak such arrogance, for the LORD is a God who knows, and by Him deeds are weighed.”                     (1 Samuel 2:3)

“To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.”  (Proverbs 8:13)

“When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”  (Proverbs 11:2)

“He who guards his lips guards his life, but he who speaks rashly will come to ruin.” (Proverbs 13:3)

“Pride only breeds quarrels, but wisdom is found in those who take advise.” (Proverbs 13:10)

“Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.”             (Proverbs 16:18)

“A man’s pride brings him low, but a man of lowly spirit gains honor.” (Proverbs 29:23)

“The eyes of the arrogant man will be humbled and the pride of men brought low; the LORD alone will be exalted in that day.” (Isaiah 2:11)

“The pride of your heart has deceived you, you who live in the clefts of the rocks and make your home on the heights, you who say to yourself, ‘Who can bring me down to the ground?’  (Obadiah 1:3)

“The Word of the LORD came to me:  “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them: “This is what the Sovereign LORD says,  “Woe to you shepherds of Israel who only take care of yourselves!  Should not shepherds take care of the flock?  You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock.  You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured.  You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost.  You have ruled them harshly and brutally.  So they were scattered because there was no shepherd, and when they were scattered they became food for all the wild animals.  My sheep wandered over all the mountains and on every hill.  They were scattered over the whole earth, and no one searched or looked for them.  Therefore, you shepherds, hear the Word of the LORD:  As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, because my flock lacks a shepherd and so has been plundered and has become food for all the wild animals, and because My shepherds did not search for My flock but cared for themselves rather than My flock, therefore, you shepherds, hear the Word of the LORD:  This is what the Sovereign LORD says:  I am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for My flock.  I will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves.  I will rescue My flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them.  For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I Myself will search for My sheep and look after them.  As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them,  so will I look after My sheep.  I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness.” (Ezekiel 34:1-12)

“Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked.  A man reaps what he sows.  Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.” (Galatians 6:7,8)

**UPDATE 2-9-14** If you have read all the Scriptures above, then please click HERE, and if your pastor is  JAMES MACDONALD OF HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL ROLLING MEADOWS, please take the next hour or so to listen to his message from the ‘ACT LIKE MEN’ CONFERENCE in its entirety. 

If you have been one of those who have ignored the serious concerns that many of us have tried to warn you about concerning James MacDonald’s character, and how much he has changed, after listening to his message can you now honestly say that his character and speech honors Christ and matches the Biblical description of an elder?If you are a man and you brought your son or a man you were sharing Christ’s love and the gospel with to this conference, would you be proud of the speech of your pastor, or cringe and feel ashamed?  Or more importantly, what do you think Jesus thought of his message?  Did James truly glorify God with his whole message, or did he compromise in order to please men? 

Since James has become very good friends with Mark Driscoll — who is sadly referred to by many as “the cussing pastor,” — maybe he has been wrongly influenced by his behavior.  However, there is no excuse for James speaking as he did at the ‘Act Like Men‘ conference.  He knows full well how our speech and our behavior as a follower of Christ is to reflect Christ and not reflect the behavior of the world.

James’ brother is in extremely critical condition after suffering a massive stroke, and I am deeply sorry to hear that and am praying for him, but this issue needs to be dealt with and not ignored!

SECOND ITEM OF CONCERN:

A long time former member of Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows informed me that HBCRM sent out a very lengthy letter to those who have recently left Harvest.  (I have not received one yet.  Maybe they are sending letters only to those who have not already let them know why they have left).  Below is a ‘quick capture‘ of a condensed summary giving just the main highlights in the letter that this person received from HBCRM and was nice enough to share with me by email:

Capture HBCRM LETTER MAILED TO THOSE WHO HAVE LEFT HARVEST

So, former Harvesters, what would it take for you to return?  Would you even consider returning?  Would you return if James sincerely repented for the reasons that caused you to leave?  Are you planning on responding to this letter?  I would love to hear your thoughts.

Someone who just read the recent HBCRMElder’s Update‘ informed me of the fact that James has agreed to take a pay cut and made many other commendable ‘lifestyle adjustments.’  But is this enough?  True change takes place in the heart when godly sorrow grips a person and they realize the wrong they have done and ask forgiveness from those they have offended and sinned against.  Are we seeing these changes take place in the heart and words of James?  Only God knows his heart, so we must not judge his intentions, but the evidence of true repentance must be more than superficial changes.

The elder update also speaks of “accountability between senior staff and Elder board,“and “the priority of seeking reconciliation in relationships with former church leaders.”  All good steps in the right direction, for sure!

But what about the ”ELDER VIDEO” in which the character of men were destroyed in front of all who attended Harvest that day?  What kind of impression did ‘first time visitors’ have if they attended that particular day? Below is a ‘quick capture’ of a review of HBCRM on ‘yelp,’ given by a person who attended HBCRM only a few times, and one of those times he attended was the day the ‘Elder Update‘ video was played for the entire congregation.  I accidentally came across this a couple of weeks ago:

Capture Review of HBC on yelp

The ‘elders video,’ incident  was bad enough, but what do you think a first time visitor thought if they came to HBCRM on Easter Sunday 2013 when James chose to preach on –money??!!  I never would have thought that James would have passed up an opportunity to preach the gospel on such a perfect day as the day we celebrate the Resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!  How utterly sad and even possibly blasphemous that he would choose to do such a thing!  Truly James has changed!

Personally, I would not return even if he had a sincere change of heart and repented and asked forgiveness from all the people he has hurt, although I am still continuing to pray that one day that will indeed happen. 

Even though I have forgiven James and long to be with some of my friends who are still there, I have found a church where the pastor has served faithfully for many years, and who preaches verse by verse without taking any verses out of context, or distorting it in order to add his own agenda.  My new pastor preaches every Sunday and does not get involved with pastors who distort the Word of God.  My new pastor knows me by name, and has talked with me almost every Sunday over the two years that I have now been there since leaving HBCRM.  I have even had lunch with my pastor and his wife and daughter, and he kindly and generously paid for my lunch.  Sadly, James would not even know me by name, even though I was a member for over 14 years and sat in the front of church within the first three or four rows, Sunday after Sunday.  A smaller, more intimate church where they sing hymns with lyrics that praise God, giving Him all the glory He is SO deserving of, and where people know one another and encourage one another has been the kind of church I have now found, and I am very happy and at peace there.  No more waiting for James to change and going home every Sunday feeling discouraged and righteously angry because of how he used certain Scriptures to insult those of us who have discernment and instead he labeled us as being “divisive.”

Please keep James and his brother in your prayers as I will be doing.  It is not my intent to “bash” James— it saddens me to post this, especially knowing his brother is now in such serious condition, but I found this audio from the ‘Act Like MenConference before I heard about his brother, and had been planning on updating this post with more information since I wrote it on Jan. 23, 2014.  My sole intention of adding the audio clip is that I am hoping and praying that God will use it to help those of you who are not only continuing to cling to the idea of “how much James has accomplished in the past,” but also to help those of you who are refusing to listen to the concerns that many have expressed on ‘The Elephant’s Debt,’ (especially on their latest and possibly last post —TO EVERY SEASON’ ).  It is my prayer that many of you will finally realize — after first reading the Scriptures I posted and then listening to his message — that indeed the character of James does not line up with the godly character traits that an elder must have according to God’s Word, and that all of you will begin to think and pray about what God would have you to do.

Scott and Ryan have shed light on many serious concerns regarding the conduct and character of James MacDonald.  Many godly men have come forward to give their statements concerning why they have left, and they have shared their personal stories of their experiences with James.  It’s time that all of us get our focus on Jesus, and not on any man and his ministry.  It’s time to examine the evidence and seek God in prayer for answers and wisdom as to what He would have you all to do.

Men, no matter who your pastor is, you are ordained by God to be the spiritual leader for your family.  You will have to stand before God one day and give an account for how you have led your wife and your children spiritually, so please make sure you are testing all the messages that your pastor is preaching against the Word of God, (Acts 17:11) and if necessary, find a new church home where the Word of God is accurately preached and the pastor’s character reflects the character of Christ Himself.

HBCRM members and attendees, spend time praying for God to change James’ heart, but seek God as to how much longer He would have you wait to see true repentance take place.  Or maybe in your time of prayer He will lead you to begin a search to find a new church where the pastor is accountable to godly men who have been appointed as elders by the votes of members of the church, and where the pastor will be faithful to preach God’s Word and will not give in to compromise.

**UPDATED 3-5-14** 7:05 p.m.** IN CLOSING

There was a time when most men of God were faithful to the call of God to go and preach the gospel and make disciples and correct and rebuke those who were in error.  But sadly today some pastors simply view the church as an ‘organization’ and some even go as far as saying, “I think that Jesus is the product” (that they attempt to sell) as T D Jakes stated in the following interview:

Many mega-pastors use worldly marketing strategies and some use feel-good messages that appeal to the desires of their ‘consumers’ to grow their church instead of preaching a gospel of sin and repentance and the glorious good news of the gospel of God’s mercy and grace.  Many may leave feeling good and many will probably even come back, but without hearing the truth that we are all sinners on the road to a real eternal lake of fire, their ‘best life’ will be only the good they experience here ‘now’ on this earth, and those who have ‘preached’ a ‘gospel’ that has no power to save will have to stand before God one day and answer for what they have done and failed to do.  The blood of their people will be upon their hands. 

And some pastors go to the other extreme and focus more on the law and make their people feel condemned because of their sins, and they do not share the ‘good news’ of the gospel that if they repent and receive what Jesus did when He not only took upon Himself the detestable sins  that we have committed, but also Jesus took upon Himself the full wrath of God that was intended for us because of our sins, and that we can be completely forgiven and clothed in the righteousness of Christ, and our sins will then be as far as the east is from the west, and cast into the depths of the sea.  

Presently we are seeing more and more pastors and teachers focusing on ‘unity’ and focusing less and less on Biblical truth.  Few today are men of God who have remained faithful to preach and to teach God’s Word to their congregations –all because they have not allowed the pressure to conform to the new standards to measure success as a church by, which seems to be,“It’s all about the numbers,” as mega-pastor Steven Furtick has been known to say.  More and more these types of pastors continue to lose sight of their mission of preaching the gospel and equipping the saints, and instead seek to build more and more churches which have become their empires destined to crumble if these pastors do not repent and return to Jesus, their first love.

The true gospel is about preaching sin and repentance to people to make them see their need for a Savior, and realizing that God alone has the power to convict someone of sin and to lead someone to repentance.  To use emotionally manipulating tactics — such as playing music when the pastor is preaching or about to give an altar call, or planting people in the service to come forward so as to motivate others to follow and come forward in an altar call — (as many of us have discovered is being done by seeing the latest news coming out concerning Steven Furtick, Elevation Church, and so-called ‘spontaneous baptisms‘), or to present sermons and music in a worship service that appeals to the sinful nature of men, implies that the good news of the gospel no longer has the power nor is it sufficient any longer to save someone.  And nothing could be further from the truth!

Many pastors and teachers — and all of us who are followers of Christ, for that matter — may start out with pure motives and a heart that desires to follow God without compromise, however, what really matters is how we finish on this road called ‘life.’  This thought came to mind towards the end February of this year as I was doing my daily Bible reading.  As I often do at the start of a new year, I began reading through the Old Testament.  On this one particular day as I was reading through 2 Chronicles, I began to reflect upon the many kings of Israel who started out serving God, but in the end they began to compromise and did not remain faithful to God.  Here are just a few of them:

“Asa did what was good and right in the eyes of the LORD.  He removed the foreign altars and the high places, smashed the sacred stones, and cut down the Asherah poles.  He commanded Judah to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, and to obey His laws and commands.  He removed the high places and incense altars in every town in Judah, and the kingdom was at peace under him.  Zerah the Cushite marched out against them with a vast army and three hundred chariots, and came as far as Mareshah.  Then Asa called to the LORD his God and said,  “LORD, there is no one like You to help the powerless against the mighty.  Help us, O LORD our God, for we rely on You, and in Your name we have come against this vast army.  O LORD, You are our God; do not let man prevail against You.”  The LORD struck down the Cushites before Asa and Judah.  The Cushites fled, and Asa and his army pursued them as far as Gerar.  “The Spirit of God came upon Azariah son of Oded.  He went out to meet Asa and said to him,  “Listen to me, Asa and all and all Judah and Benjamin.  The LORD is with you when you are with Him.  If you seek Him, He will be found by you, but if you forsake Him, He will forsake you.  But as for you, be strong and do not give up, for your work will be rewarded.”  When Asa heard these words and the prophecy of Azariah son of Oded the prophet, he took courage.  He removed the detestable idols from the whole land of Judah and Benjamin and from the towns he had captured in the hills of Ephraim.  He repaired the altar of the LORD that was in front of the portico of the LORD’s temple.  They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul.  All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  They took an oath to the LORD with loud acclamation, with shouting, and with trumpets and horns.  All Judah rejoiced about the oath because they had sworn it wholeheartedly.  They sought God eagerly, and He was found by them.  So the LORD gave them rest on every side.  King Asa also deposed his grandmother Maacah from her position as queen mother, because she had made a repulsive Asherah pole.  Asa cut the pole down, broke it up and burned it in the Kidron Valley.  Although he did not remove the high places from Israel, Asa’s heart was fully committed to the LORD all his life.  “At that time Hanani the seer came to Asa King of Judah and said to him,  “Because you relied on the king of Aram and not on the LORD your God, the army of the king of Aram has escaped from your hand.  Were not the Cushites and the Libyans a mighty army with great number of chariots and horsemen?  Yet when you relied on the LORD, He delivered them into your hands.  For the eyes of the LORD range throughout the earth to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to Him.  You have done a foolish thing, and from now on you will be at war.  Asa was angry with the seer because of this; he was so enraged that he put him in prison.  At the same time Asa brutally oppressed some of the people.  The events of Asa’s reign, from beginning to end, are written in the book of the kings of Judah and Israel.  In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa was afflicted with a disease in his feet.  Though his disease was severe, even in his illness he did not seek help from the LORD, but only from the physicians.  Then in the forty-first year of his reign Asa died and rested with his fathers.” (2 Chronicles 14:2-5,9-13a,15:1,2,8,9,12-17,16:7-13)

“Amaziah was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem twenty-nine years.  His mother’s name was Jehoaddin; she was from Jerusalem.  He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, but not wholeheartedly.  When Amaziah returned from slaughtering the Edomites, he brought back the gods of the people of Seir.  He set them up as his own gods, bowed down to them and burned sacrifices to them.  The anger of the LORD burned against Amaziah, and He sent a prophet to him, who said,  “Why do you consult this people’s gods, which could not save their own people from your hand?”  While he was still speaking, the king said to him,  “Have we appointed you as an adviser to the king?  Stop!  Why be struck down?”  So the prophet stopped but said,  “I know that God has determined to destroy you, because you have done this and have not listened to my counsel.”  From the time that Amaziah turned away from following the LORD, they conspired against him in Jerusalem and he fled to Lachish, but they sent men after him to Lachish and killed him there.  He was brought back by horse and was buried with his fathers in the city of Judah.”              (2 Chronicles 25:1,2,14-16,27,28)

“Uzziah was sixteen years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem fifty-two years.  His mother’s name was Jecoliah; she was from Jerusalem.  He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father Amaziah had done.  He sought God during the days of Zechariah, who instructed him in the fear of God.  As  long as he sought the LORD, God gave him success.  God helped him against the Philistines, and against the Arabs who lived in Gur Baal, and against the Meunites.  The Ammonites brought tribute to Uzziah, and his fame spread as far as the border of Egypt, because he had become very powerful.  But after Uzziah became powerful, his pride led to his downfall.  He was unfaithful to the LORD his God, and entered the temple of the LORD to burn incense on the altar of incense.  Azariah the priest with eighty other courageous priests of the LORD followed him in.  They confronted him and said,  “It is not right for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to the LORD.  That is for the priests, the descendants of Aaron, who have been consecrated to burn incense.  Leave the sanctuary, for you have been unfaithful; and you will not be honored by the LORD God.”  Uzziah, who had a censer in his hand ready to burn incense, became angry.  While he was raging at the priests in their presence before the incense altar in the LORD’s temple, leprosy broke out on his forehead.  When Azariah the chief priest and all the other priests looked at him, they saw that he had leprosy on his forehead, so they hurried him out.  Indeed, he himself was eager to leave, because the LORD had afflicted him.  King Uzziah had leprosy until the day he died.” (2 Chronicles 27:3-5,7,8,16-21)

After reading all the many accounts of the kings of Israel, suddenly I thought of many popular pastors and teachers who no longer serve God wholeheartedly and who began to change and who have given in to compromise.  These pastors no longer contend for the faith and no longer protect their sheep from false teachers as they once did.  Instead they invite them in to preach from their very own pulpits!  On the day they stand before a Holy God who alone knows their hearts and their motives, it won’t matter how many churches they planted, or how many people came forward in an altar call, or how many came forward to be baptized.  What will matter is did they really place their trust in Christ.  And, if so, were they faithful to preach the gospel without compromise?  Were they faithful to earnestly contend for the faith?  Were they faithful to preach His Word in season  and out of season and teach their people how to rightly divide His Word?  Did they bring correction when it was needed?  Did they expose error and protect their people lovingly and fervently as a shepherd protects his sheep from wolves whose main intent is to kill and destroy them?

Many pastors and teachers — and many ordinary followers of Christ, as well — need to have a fresh realization of the Holiness of God.  Because, sadly, many obviously have lost their fear of God, or they would not be doing some of the many things that they are doing these days and claiming that ‘God told them to do it.’  We all need to have our focus on Jesus Christ alone, and seek Him in His Word alone.

We also need to pray for our pastors and teachers, and pray for one another that God would fill our hearts with repentance and that we would seek Him wholeheartedly so that we will not change along with the culture of this world that is so obviously in rebellion against a Holy God.

A W TOZER – THE HOLINESS OF GOD

 

As always, God has a remnant of believers who will not give in to compromise and who will continue to earnestly contend for the faith.  Will you be one of them?

WHY I WROTE THE FOLLOWING POEM

I began writing this poem a few months ago out of concern because of what I see happening in mega-churches in general.  However, after listening to a video of a sermon from the weekend of January 4th and 5th 2014 preached by James MacDonald — my former pastor for over 14 1/2 years — and hearing how he enticed the people in his congregation by saying,“The biggest miracle that’s ever happened in the history of Harvest Bible Chapel is happening right now,” and how he went on to say that ‘he couldn’t tell everyone about it yet, but would in a few months,’ and upon learning from an ‘inside source‘  at the very end of December that “the [giving] “envelopes” were on every chair as people entered the auditorium,” and that “…the give stage was set from the beginning,” I was then strongly motivated to finish this poem so that I could warn people of not only the manipulative tactics that some pastors use to lure them in and to keep them there, but also I again realized the need to remind people of the importance of  looking to Jesus Christ alone and studying God’s Word so that people would not be deceived by  men and lured and  captivated by their ‘vision casting’ plans that are presented to them by these pastors. Therefore, the following poem has some verses that are much longer than the verses in most of my other poems because whenever I attempt to express my concerns about serious matters, I find it very difficult to condense my thoughts into short verses.  I apologize for how it appears, but I hope the message comes across without the lengthy verses being a distraction to you.

Thank you very much for stopping by and taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Living4HisGlory

 

YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN THE FOLLOWING:

**ADDED 2-26-14** THE CULT OF THE VISIONEER – TODD PRUITT, REFORMATION 21 BLOG

**ADDED 3-5-14** PAUL PROCTOR – THE PEOPLE’S CHURCH WILLOWCREEK AND THE CHURCH GROWTH MOVEMENT

**ADDED 2-20-14** PASTOR RANDY WHITE – WHY I LEFT THE CHURCH GROWTH MOVEMENT

SAME INFORMATION AS ARTICLE ABOVE, BUT IN VIDEO FORM BELOW.  ARTICLE READ BY CHRIS ROSEBROUGH OF ‘FIGHTING FOR THE FAITH

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UNCHANGING

I serve a God who is unchanging, His Word is living and complete

Yet some ignore this truth, to seek new revelations and experiences at His feet

Then there’s the mighty mega-pastor, who once lived in humble, simple ways

When asked the reason for his success, he would always give God the praise

A foundation once built on Christ and on His Word alone

Has given way to building using strategies of men, and God’s Word is twisted so his

own agenda can be shown

Many eyes are now being opened, discernment and knowledge are some reasons why

As God’s Spirit and godly men reveal what’s hidden in darkness, the truth is then

hard to deny

Rather than repent, these men seem to just continue to plan and to scheme

They hype up their sheep with hints of exciting things to come; the newest

mega-pastor’s dream

Their hope is to keep the devoted ones coming and giving, so as not to foil their

slightly revealed vision casted plan

Sadly these pastors have drifted far from their calling, to preach God’s Word and to

reveal a Holy God to sinful man

Shouldn’t it be enough to proclaim what Christ has done

To proclaim the unchanging glorious gospel; sin has been atoned for, it is finished,

Christ has won

Shouldn’t we simply bow in humble reverence, and praise His Holy name

And not continually praise how great our church is, and focus on its growth and its

fame

What about instructing their sheep in sound doctrine, and dying to self and turning

from sin

And warning of wolves in sheep’s clothing, instead they’re uniting and inviting them in

God’s Word is unchanging, His truth is what sets men free

But many pastors fail to teach God’s Word or to prepare their people for eternity

Caught up in being relevant and planting churches, many have strayed off the straight

and narrow path

They have changed their once powerful gospel message, without repentance these

pastors will sadly face God’s wrath

Abandoning their sheep, giving in to compromise, no longer faithful to love and to lead

These pastors leave a trail of wounded people, they have turned a deaf ear to the truth

when they plead

There is still hope for change through repentance, if they choose to surrender to

conviction and no longer rebel

If ignored, the cost to themselves and their hearers, will be none other than the

fires of hell

The methods and messages of some pastors truly are changing, but our God is

unchanging and His Word makes it clear

That we must contend for the faith, for deception is great, and proves Christ return is

indeed drawing near

Copyright© 2014 Mary K. Dalke/Living4HisGlory/Living For His Glory All rights reserved.

**UPDATED 3-14-14 6:33 P.M. ADDED LINK TO PASTOR TOM PENNINGTON’S SERMON SERIES ‘WOLVES IN THE PULPIT’ (SEE UNDER ‘YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN THE FOLLOWING.’

**UPDATED AND COMPLETED WEDNESDAY, 3-5-14** 7:17 P.M.

**UPDATED WEDNESDAY 3-5-14 10:00 A.M.** ADDED ARTICLE ON THE CHURCH GROWTH MOVEMENT BY PAUL PROCTOR. SEE UNDER ‘FURTHER READING.’ DATED IN RED.

**UPDATED TUESDAY 3-4-14 6:02 P.M.**  ADDED INFORMATION CONCERNING STEVEN FURTICK.  SEE UNDER ‘FINAL POINT WHY YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT STEVEN FURTICK,’ DATED IN RED.  WILL ADD CLOSING THOUGHTS WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS WHICH WILL FINALLY COMPLETE THIS POST.

**UPDATED SATURDAY 3-1-14 3:30 P.M.**  ADDED SOME CLOSING THOUGHTS.  SEE UNDER ‘IN CLOSING’ AND ‘WHY I WROTE THIS POEM,’ DATED IN RED.  ALMOST FINISHED…JUST A LITTLE MORE TO GO.  LORD WILLING, SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY EARLY NEXT WEEK.

**UPDATED FRIDAY 2-28-14 10:10 P.M.** ADDED SOME ‘CONVERSATION’ BETWEEN JAMES MACDONALD, PERRY NOBLE, AND MARK DRISCOLL FROM ‘ELEPHANT ROOM 1’ CONCERNING PERRY N. PLAYING ‘HIGHWAY TO HELL.’  ( DATED IN RED – SEE UNDER ‘INFORMATION CONCERNING JAMES MACDONALD’)

**UPDATED THURSDAY 2-27-14  9:17 p.m.** ADDED MORE INFORMATION CONCERNING JAMES AND PERRY NOBLE (DATED IN RED) JUST NEED TO ADD MY CLOSING COMMENTS, BUT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FINISH TOMORROW.  HAVE AN IMPORTANT FAMILY MATTER TO ATTEND TO THAT CAME UP.  LORD WILLING, I WILL COMPLETE THIS POST WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.  THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY, AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

**UPDATED WEDNESDAY 2-26-14 9:00 p.m.**  ADDED ARTICLE ‘THE CULT OF THE VISIONEER’ BY TODD PRUITT UNDER ‘FURTHER READING,’  SOME INFORMATION CONCERNING JAMES MACDONALD, AND AN ARTICLE CONCERNING JAMES BY CAMERON BUETTEL.  (DATE IN RED).  LORD WILLING, I AM HOPING TO COMPLETE THIS POST BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.  THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

**UPDATED FRIDAY 2-21-14 12:00 P.M**. ADDED ‘STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH’ PODCAST CONCERNING STEVEN FURTICK -“WHEN DOES A CHURCH CROSS INTO A CULT” AND VIDEO OF STEVEN F. ENCOURAGING ‘ELEVATION CHILDREN’ TO LEARN ‘THE CODE.’

**UPDATED THURSDAY 2-20-14 9:13 P.M.** ADDED MANY LINKS TO INFORMATION ON PERRY NOBLE, PERRY NOBLE VIDEO, ARTICLE BY DR. RANDY WHITE CONCERNING THE ‘CHURCH GROWTH MOVEMENT.  (DATED IN RED).

**UPDATED WEDNESDAY, 2-19-2014** ADDED  INFORMATION ON STEVEN FURTICK AND ELEVATION CHURCH, AND MORE ON FRANCIS CHAN.  ALSO ADDED LINK (COLORED IN RED) TO THE ‘ELDER  VIDEO.’ ALL INFORMATION DATED AND COLORED IN RED.  THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

**UPDATED MONDAY, 2-17-14 6:20p.m.** ADDED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT GREG LAURIE AND INFORMATION ON FRANCIS CHAN.  SEE INFORMATION DATED 2-17-14

** UPDATE 2-15-14 9:26 P.M.**  I WAS HOPING TO FINISH THIS POST BY TODAY, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT I NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF FIRST.  LORD WILLING, I HOPE TO FINALLY COMPLETE THIS POST BY WEDNESDAY.  ONCE AGAIN, I AM VERY SORRY, AND APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.

**UPDATED 2-12-14**SEE UNDER THE FIRST SET OF SCRIPTURES. DATE IN RED.  LORD WILLING, HOPE TO HAVE THIS POST COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS WEEK

**UPDATED 2-9-14 9:01 p.m.**  ADDED LINK TO JAMES MACDONALD’S MESSAGE FROM HIS ‘ACT LIKE MEN’ CONFERENCE WITH SOME THOUGHTS FOR YOU TO PRAYERFULLY PONDER, AS WELL AS A HBCRM REVIEW I CAME ACROSS ON ‘YELP,’ AND INFORMATION ON A LETTER RECENTLY SENT TO MANY WHO HAVE LEFT HBCRM.  (ALL UPDATES DATED IN RED

UPDATE 2-6-14  3:32P.M. ADDED MORE SCRIPTURES**  WILL TRY TO COMPLETE POST WHEN TIME ALLOWS…NEED TO CATCH UP ON SOME THINGS FIRST.  THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

UPDATE 1-31-14 11:38A.M.**  FOR THE PAST WEEK I HAVE BEEN GATHERING INFORMATION TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE COMMENTS I WILL BE ADDING TO FINALLY FINISH THIS POST.  LORD WILLING, I HOPE TO HAVE EVERYTHING I AM SEARCHING FOR — AND THIS POST COMPLETED — BY EARLY NEXT WEEK –MAYBE SOONER.  THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

 

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****UPDATED 10/20/13** ADDED LINK TO ANOTHER EXCELLENT POST AND SERMON BY TOM CHANTRY (SEE BELOW.  DATE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

**UPDATED 10/12/13** ADDED LINK TO TOM CHANTRY’S POST AND SERMON (SEE BELOW).

UPDATED 10/5/13** WELL, I WOULD LIKE ALL OF YOU TO KNOW THAT TWITTER’S FAMOUS ‘MEGACHURCHMOUSE’ WHO IS  “BOLD LIKE A LION” AND DEFINITELY NOT “TIMID AS A MOUSE,”  — AS THEY SAY — HAS BEEN TWEETING UP A STORM LATELY, TRYING TO GET THE ATTENTION OF PASTORS AND CERTAIN CHRISTIAN BLOGGERS HOPING FOR SOMEONE TO  GIVE A BIBLICAL ANALYSIS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING OVER AT HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL ROLLING MEADOWS, CONCERNING THE ATTEMPT AT CHANGING THEIR ELDER STRUCTURE.  AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE QUICK CAPTURES BELOW, HE/SHE (NO ONE REALLY KNOWS FOR SURE) HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL!

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MEGACHURCHMOUSE’S LOUD SQUEAKS FINALLY CAPTURED THE ATTENTION OF TOM CHANTRY, PASTOR OF CHRIST REFORMED BAPTIST CHURCH IN MILWAUKEE.  AND YOU CAN READ  HIS EXCELLENT POST BELOW, APTLY ENTITLED, ‘THE MOUSE MADE ME DO IT’ UNDER ‘FURTHER READING.’  AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, MEGACHURCHMOUSE WAS GREATLY APPRECIATIVE:

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    INTRODUCTION

I have been trying to finish writing ‘Part 2’ of my testimony, but in light of recent developments at my former church, Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows, especially concerning September’s Elder Update (that you can find at one of the links here) (UPDATE: 9/28/13 UNFORTUNATELY THAT VIDEO SEEMS TO NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE.  HOWEVER, I JUST FOUND IT ON A WEBSITE AS A VIDEO ON YOUTUBE, AND IT CAN BE SEEN BELOW IN ITS ENTIRETY.  **UPDATE** HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL HAD THAT REMOVED.  **UPDATE** 10/5/13** JUST FOUND THIS YESTERDAY.  SO FOR THE TIME BEING YOU CAN SEE SEPTEMBER’S ‘ELDER UPDATE’ >HERE< ) that focuses on former elders, Scott Phelps and Barry Slabaugh, as well as the statement given by well respected and loved former 20 year elder of Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows, David Corning, (that you can read at ‘The Elephant’s Debt’ website here) I decided to take time to write a poem as a way to express my support for all of them. 

Some of the things you will hear being said, word for word, in September’s ‘Elder Update,’ are as follows:

James MacDonald: “I just want to remind you, uh, that God has entrusted, uh, spiritual authority, uh, to the local church.  And uh, every local church, um, has a an authority under God and we believe that the Bible teaches that the authority of the church is invested in the elders.  And that when the elders speak uh, collectively in agreement they speak uh, for God, uh, to our church.  That’s about as uh, serious as serious gets.  And uh, here are uh four of the elders in our church that have a message, uh, for us and we would do well to take heed to, so listen uh very carefully –these four men are speaking on behalf of the entire elder board of our church on every campus.  Listen now.”

Some of the many things you will hear the elders Paul Inserra, Steve Huston, Randy Williams, Jamie Harrison, say concerning former elders, Scott Phelps and Barry Slabaugh, are as follows:

“They refused to submit to elder consensus , choosing instead to sow discord and create division.”

“Please pray for their repentance and victory over a persistent spirit of superiority and self-righteousness.”

“Their goal is to discredit our pastor, divide this church.  And we call upon the people of Harvest family to make sure this does not happen.”

“Church matters are not to be tried in the court of public opinion.  Publicizing viewpoints rejected by the elder majority for any reason is Satanic to the core and must be dealt with very directly.”

“We warn the people of Harvest Bible Chapel to separate themselves from these false messengers.  Don’t stand in the middle, don’t seek to mediate.  Please avoid these former Harvest elders at all cost, lest you incur great detriment to your own soul.”

In part, the elders say the following to assure the people of Harvest that:

“We the elders of Harvest Bible Chapel are completely satisfied with Pastor James’ growth in grace.”

And that they:

“…stand behind his character and integrity without reservation.”

In closing, they have this to say:

  “Nothing is covered, nothing is unresolved, nothing is ongoing.  Only this attack from the enemy.”

Because of the serious concerns I had after viewing the Elder Update and hearing the above mentioned things that were said by the four elders in the video, I also wrote this poem as another warning (the first being WARNING YOU WITH TEARS) to all Harvest Bible Chapel attendees and members, (and every other Christian, as well) of not only how very important it is for you (and for all of us) to pray for discernment and to test all messages you (we) will hear by those in leadership (of any church) against the truth of God’s Word to make sure that what you (we) are hearing is true, (Acts 17:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22) but also the importance of investigating any claims made so that you (we) will come to know what the truth really is. 

The following poem focuses on some of those concerns, and they are presented to you through many warnings.  I pray discernment and wisdom for all who have watched, and will watch the ‘Elder Update’ in the future. (Well, viewing the video of the ‘Elder Update’ may not be possible any longer, but I am sure it’s still on the Internet somewhere).

My final thoughts to all of you are as follows: Someone is being deceptive and manipulative, and someone is telling the truth.  Either the elders in the video are telling the truth, which would mean that Scott Phelps and Barry Slabaugh are trying to discredit James MacDonald.  But if not, that would mean that James MacDonald as well as some of the elders at Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows are attempting to destroy the reputations of Scott Phelps and Barry Slabaugh, as well as mislead all of you.  So be very cautious about coming to your own conclusion as to who is telling the truth.  Earnestly pray and ask God to reveal the truth to you.  Let God and His Word be the source for the truth that you seek, and pray for discernment concerning the information you find on the Internet.

Don’t allow anyone to manipulate your thinking if you have any valid concerns, even if you are told that “when the elders speak collectively in agreement they speak for God…”

Even though I left HBCRM over 1 1/2 years ago, I still continue to pray for all of you, as well as for James and all others in leadership.

Thank you very much for stopping by.  And thank you also for taking  time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.  

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

UPDATE: 9/28/13 10:30p.m. JUST FOUND THIS ELDER UPDATE ON A WEBSITE, AND IT WAS UPLOADED ON YOUTUBE (UPDATE: 10/3/13 Harvest Bible Chapel had the video removed from the person’s channel who uploaded it on YouTube, so I have replaced it with this screenshot).

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PLEASE CONSIDER WATCHING THE FOLLOWING VIDEO SERIES SO YOU ARE AWARE OF THE DANGER SIGNS OF:

TOXIC CHURCHES (Part 1 of 2)

SCRIPTURES FOR YOU TO REFLECT ON

“As for you, see what you have heard from the beginning remains in you.  If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.  And this is what He promised us–eternal life.  I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.  As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.  But as His anointing teaches you about all things, and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in Him.” (1 John 2:24-26)

But a prophet who presumes to speak in My name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”  You may say to yourselves,  “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?”  If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken.  That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.” (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)

“Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations.  They say,  ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says’–when the LORD has not spoken.” (Ezekiel 22:28)

“I have heard what the prophets say who prophesy lies in My name.  They say,  ‘I had a dream!  I had a dream!’  How long will this continue in the hearts of these lying prophets, who prophesy the delusions of their own minds.  Let the prophet who has a dream recount the dream, but let the one who has My Word speak it faithfully .  For what has straw to do with grain?”  declares the LORD.  “Is not My Word like fire, declares the LORD, “and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?  “Therefore,” declares the LORD, “I am against the prophets who wag their own tongues and yet declare,  ‘The LORD declares.’  Indeed, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,”  declares the LORD.  They tell them and lead My people astray with their reckless lies, yet I did not send or appoint them.  They do not benefit these people in the least,”  declares the LORD.” (Jeremiah 23:25-32)

“For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness.  Their end will be what their actions deserve.” (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

“Consider how far you have fallen!  Repent and do the things you did at first.  If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.” (Revelation 2:5)

“Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord.” (Acts 3:19)

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LEARN TO DISCERN SO YOU WILL NOT BE DECEIVED

Learn to discern so you will not be deceived

Everything a church leader says is not always to be believed

Examine every Scripture concerning what is being said

Test the character of everyone, or you just might be misled

Truth is not always apparent by what you’re being told

You need to think quite carefully, or a lie you may be sold

Destructive labels are being placed upon godly men because it’s simply

the truth these men do seek

And they can paint quite a different picture; one that’s distorted, untrue

and bleak

Attempting to destroy someone’s reputation, possibly because of arrogance

or pride

Would be clear evidence of a wayward, rebellious heart that’s forming

deep inside

God’s Word warns that men will come and claim to speak for Him

Speaking the deceit of their own hearts, messages spoken not just on a whim

Discernment is truly needed to know who it is that really speaks the truth

But the evidence is very clear, so it doesn’t take a sleuth

A church divided can never stand, but please know that God is in control

Seek the truth in prayer and in His Word, and you will find healing for

your soul

Keep your eyes on Christ alone, for by man many are led astray

May God have His way in the hearts of all, and for that we must truly pray

Kingdoms rise and many fall when a man takes his eyes off of the Lord

But through humbleness and true repentance, it all can be restored

This warning goes out to every one of us, for we are all sinners saved by grace

In reverent fear let’s search our hearts, for we will one day see Him face to face

Copyright© 2013 Mary K. Dalke/Living4HisGlory/Living For His Glory All rights reserved.

Scriptures taken from The Holy Bible New International Version® 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society.  Used by permission of Zondervan.  All rights reserved.

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**ADDED 10/5/13** POSTS BY TOM CHANTRY, PASTOR OF CHRIST REFORMED BAPTIST CHURCH CONCERNING HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL

THE MOUSE MADE ME DO IT

TOUCH NOT THE LORD’S ANOINTED

**ADDED 10/12/13** 

WHAT DOES A FALSE MINISTRY LOOK LIKE?  READ AND LISTEN TO PASTOR TOM CHANTRY ON THIS SUBJECT AT THE LINKS BELOW:

 TEN MARKS OF A FALSE MINISTRY

TOM CHANTRY’S EXCELLENT SERMON >>HERE<<

**ADDED 10/20/13**

TOM CHANTRY SHOWS US THROUGH SCRIPTURE, THE PATTERN FOR A TRUE, BIBLICAL MINISTRY:

SEVEN MARKS OF A TRUE MINISTRY

ANOTHER EXCELLENT SERMON OF THE SAME TITLE BY TOM CHANTRY CAN BE FOUND >>HERE<<

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INTRODUCTION

Well, I was planning on spending the day writing my testimony.  However, before I began writing I happened to see this tweet made on Twitter, (by an ‘unnamed person’ who will remain anonymous for their protection) that James MacDonald has informed everyone of the fact that Matt Chandler will be preaching at Harvest this weekend, May 25th and 26th 2013:

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The sermon that Matt preached at Steven Furtick’s 2012 Code Orange Revival (which is the video I posted above) was the only Biblically solid message presented at this ‘revival.’ Matt not only gave a clear presentation of the gospel, but he also gave a much-needed rebuke and correction to Steven Furtick and others at this ‘revival’ who were focusing and praising  themselves and their ministries, rather than repenting, preaching God’s Word, and focusing on and praising God. Those are the true signs of  revival! If you’re interested, I encourage you to listen to his message, when time allows. 

I rejoiced while listening to Matt’s message because he was the only one who presented solid Biblical truth at this ‘revival.’ In spite of the fact that many of us have valid concerns about him, he was still like a light shining in the darkness that night. When he spoke the truths of God’s Word, it exposed the pride and arrogance that was in the hearts of these other pastors as they spoke and praised one another. However, I found it necessary to write this short post in order to warn all of you at Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows that Matt Chandler promotes mysticism; unbiblical, and even occultic practices that are said to draw a person closer to God. When something other than reading the Word of God in context is suggested to a Christian as a means to have a deeper, more intimate relationship with God, consider it a BIG red flag!

On Matt Chandler’s Village Church website, you will see a list of books on their ‘Recommended Reading’ list. They also have the following disclaimer posted:

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However, as a shepherd who is supposed to watch over and protect his sheep from the many wolves in sheep’s clothing, if Matt does “not endorse or believe all that is written in these books,” wouldn’t you think that he would protect his sheep and not even consider adding these books to their ‘recommended reading’ list? But because of the fact that he promotes ‘contemplative prayer’ as shown in the article posted by Pastor Ken Silva of Apprising Ministries, (see link posted below under ‘Further Reading’) it is clear that he in fact does endorse and believe in mysticism and contemplative prayer.

Here are some examples of the books that promote mysticism that are included on Matt Chandler’s Village Church website on their ‘Recommended Reading’ list. On page 12 the book ‘Sacred Marriage’ by Gary Thomas is listed:

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Besides writing the book, ‘Sacred Marriage,’ Gary Thomas has also written the book, ‘Sacred Pathways’ in which he says the following which is posted on ‘Lighthouse Trails’ website and ‘quick captured’ for you below:

Capture Gary Thomas Lighthouse TrailsTo continue reading this article and other good information, continuing to test all you read in light of Scripture,  (Acts 17:11), click here.


Also on page 17 of Matt Chandler’s Village Church’s Recommended Reading list, another book, ‘The Ragamuffin Gospel’ written by Brennan Manning, who also promotes mysticism, is recommended:

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Here’s some information on Brennan Manning:

BEWARE OF WOLVES IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING – MIKE GENDRON

BRENNAN MANNING AND CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER- LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS

In the following video, Pastor Joe Schimmel shares some serious concerns about Brennan Manning and his book ‘The Ragamuffin Gospel.’

All that to say: Harvest Bible attendees, beware of Matt Chandler! Test all you will hear him say against the truth of God’s Word. (Acts 17:11) Search these things out to see if these things are true, and please keep your eyes on Jesus and in His Word so you will never be led astray. I am praying for all of you.

SCRIPTURES FOR YOU TO REFLECT ON

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith , giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils…”      (1 Timothy 4:1)

“In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.” (Hebrews 1:1,2)

“Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears from the truth and turn aside to myths.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4)

“Be self-controlled and alert.  Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” (1 Peter 5:8)

“Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures daily to see if what Paul said was true.” (Acts 17:11)

“Therefore I declare to you that I am innocent of the blood of all men.  For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God.  Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.  Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.  I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.  Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.  Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:26-31)

FURTHER READING:

ADDED 6/25/15 WARNING YOU WITH TEARS WEDNESDAY – (MORE INFORMATION CONCERNING MATT CHANDLER)

5/25/13 MATT CHANDLER AND VILLAGE CHURCH PROMOTING CONTEMPLATIVE SPIRITUALITY -KEN SILVA ‘APPRISING MINISTRIES’

**ADDED 11/30/13**

CONCERNS ABOUT MATT CHANDLER ‘S THE VILLAGE CHURCH- ‘STEAK AND A BIBLE’

 PURPOSE DRIVEL: MATT CHANDLER, CALVINIST MYSTIC, DOESN’T BELIEVE IN SOLA SCRIPTURA

Not only are people concerned about Matt’s promotion of ‘mysticism/Contemplative Spirituality,’ but also there are many who are concerned about certain things that he teaches.  As you can see from the quick capture below of a portion of a review of Matt Chandler’s book ‘THE EXPLICIT GOSPEL,’ Pastor Gary Gilley of Southern View Chapel explains just one of the problems he finds in Matt’s book, and calls it what it is: “unbiblical.”

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You can read Pastor Gary Gilley’s  full review of Matt’s book at the link below:

REVIEW OF MATT CHANDLER’S BOOK, ‘THE EXPLICIT GOSPEL’ – BY PASTOR GARY GILLEY

VIDEOS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER WATCHING THAT CONTAIN IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF:

EXPERIENCING GOD THROUGH DECEITFUL MYSTICISM

FORMER CATHOLIC PRIEST RICHARD BENNETT AND JAMES SUNDQUIST

VOICES OF THE EMERGING CHURCH

THE REAL ROOTS OF THE EMERGENT CHURCH

CHURCH OF TARES

THE SUBMERGING CHURCH

**UPDATED 5/16/13 8:38p.m.** Unfortunately all the videos I added below of the HTB Leadership Conference are now marked ‘private.’ =/  Hopefully some of you were able to watch them before that happened.  After I finish writing and posting my testimony, Lord willing, I would like to share with you some of the concerns I have after watching much of the conference.  I will tell you this much…Rick Warren already agreed to be one of the speakers for the 2014 HTB Leadership Conference, as announced by Nicky Gumbel.

For many of us who formerly attended — or still attend — Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows, we have valid reasons to be concerned about James MacDonald’s involvement with Steven Furtick.  And I’d like to share with you another reason why we should be concerned about Steven Furtick that some of you may not be aware of.  But first I need to share this with you:

On Monday, November 19th 2012, I was listening to Janet Parshall’s program ‘In The Market’ as I always do on my way home from work.  She has many excellent programs that make her listening audience aware of so many things that are happening all around us, and yet often times go unnoticed.  From a program on remote abortions–where we learned that a young woman can simply sit in her bed in an abortion clinic, and as she speaks to a ‘doctor’ via a video screen, she just tells him she wants to have an abortion, and with the click of a control on his end, a drawer to a small side cabinet at the woman’s bedside will then open.  Inside this drawer she will find a pill which she will then take that will slowly (and tragically, I might add) put an end to the life of her unborn child.  Far removed from the actual room where this is taking place, this doctor coldly, and intentionally, assists in taking the life of many, many precious children. 

And on the opposite side of the abortion issue, Janet has had programs where she shares some good news concerning many women who once worked in abortion clinics, but then after witnessing certain things, such as a baby being born alive during an abortion procedure, they came to the realization that abortions are indeed murder, and they left the abortion industry. 

Janet’s listeners have also heard many wonderful testimonies of women who have said ‘no’ to having an abortion just  moments before entering an abortion clinic all because of mobile units that were placed outside of the clinic that had an ultrasound machine inside.  Women were lovingly asked by prolife volunteers who stood near the clinic if they would like to come in and see their baby by means of the ultrasound machine that was inside.  After viewing the active, and fearfully and wonderfully formed child within their womb, many women have their eyes opened to see the truth; that within them is not a “clump of tissue”  as many women are told by doctors and nurses at these clinics, but indeed, a baby complete with fingers and toes, and many quickly change their minds and do not go through with the abortion.

However, in spite of the many heart moving, as well as very informative programs that Janet has had, and continues to have, she has had a few guests on her programs that have filled me with valid concerns.  One of them was Gerald Long, who is the President of Alpha USA, and he spoke with Janet in the beginning of the first hour of her program dated Nov. 19th 2012.  Hearing Janet express praise of the Alpha Course for all her listeners to hear, shocked and disappointed me.  And above all, raised some serious concerns for the many listeners who would be influenced by her endorsement of the Alpha Course, and possibly choose to get involved with it.

Beginning at the 17:33 mark, Janet says  

..and I spent some time… about 20 minutes 25 minutes earlier today just going back and reviewing a marvelous message that Nicky gave at an opening dinner for the Alpha Course that I think with clarity says what the Alpha Course  is all about.” 

After the break, beginning at the 18:40 mark, Janet goes on to say the following to Gerard Long, 

“…in all that I’ve ever read or studied about the Alpha Course I’ve been very comfortable that it is a clear declaration of the gospel of Jesus Christ.” 

To hear her say that deeply filled me with concern, because, If you are already aware of the valid concerns that many have with Nicky Gumbel’s Alpha Course, it does not ‘clearly declare the gospel of Jesus Christ,’ but rather promotes a message of  salvation by works, and introduces people to rituals and occultic practices, as you will learn by the information I have posted below for you.

Towards the very end of their time together the focus of their conversation was on ‘unity’, and how the messages presented in the Alpha Course is bringing many churches together.  Near the end of  her conversation with Gerald Long, Janet says the following to him about the Alpha Course…

“And throughout the core of those messages is the Word of God which is by its very definition  transcendent, therefore it transcends denominational divisions, correct?” 

And of course Gerald Long agreed.  Unity among true Bible believing Christians is a good thing, but the Alpha Course is promoting unity at the expense of sound Biblical doctrine.  And that is something we as Bible believing Christians cannot promote or be a part of.

You can listen to their 24 minute conversation in Hour 1 of her program here>>FINDING PURPOSE AND LIFE  Be prepared to *roll your eyes* and deeply sigh out of concern and shock as I did while listening to this program. 😦

I shared all of the above with you in order to tell you the following:  Two weeks from today, on Monday, May 13th, 2013, as well as on Tuesday, May 14th, 2013, Holy Trinity Brompton, the largest Anglican church in Britain, will again be presenting their Leadership Conference.  Since 1990 Nicky Gumbel has been the leader of the Alpha Course.  Holy Trinity Brompton church is known for their promotion of the ‘Toronto Blessing,’  with includes manifestations of animal noises and bodily jerking supposedly produced in the people by the Holy Spirit. 

On their website they state the following concerning the upcoming Leadership Conference: 

“HTB Leadership Conference is a unique opportunity for leaders from many different parts of society to come together to worship God and to learn skills which will enable them to grow in the sphere of influence to which they have been called.”  SOURCE <Click here to see the list of 64 guest speakers, worship leaders, and more information about this conference.

One person among the 64 listed as guest speakers and worship leaders, is… yes, you guessed it…none other than Steven Furtick.  And even though there are many guest speakers at this conference that I am not yet familiar with, there are others besides Steven Furtick that I am aware of, which will give those of us who are ‘earnestly contending for the faith’ (Jude 3) valid reasons to be concerned.  Some of the other names that immediately raise a red flag are as follows:

Bill Hybels, Cardinal Christoph Schonborn, Luiji Gioia, a Benedictine monk, and Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby.  When I am finally finished writing my testimony and sharing it with you, as well as posting all the information I intend to share with you from the documents of Vatican ll and the Council of Trent, you will then clearly see (at least I hope and pray you will) why we should be very concerned for those who follow the teachings of Steven Furtick, as well as Bill Hybels, and others who claim to be Christians, yet get involved with religious movements aimed at uniting together, and slowly laying aside sound Biblical doctrine.

Below you will find some very important information that I ask you to prayerfully consider checking out, so you will be well informed and not be led astray by becoming involved in the Alpha Course.

CECIL ANDREWS – ALPHAATTEND OR AVOID?  PART 1 OF 2

THE BEREAN CALL ‘WHAT ABOUT THE ALPHA COURSE?’

In the following video, you will hear Steven Furtick say that he is…

“…so honored to be a speaker at this year’s HTB Leadership Conference.”

I have seen pictures of Steven Furtick and his beautiful family, and have prayed for them as well.  However, to see him (and many other prominent Christian leaders ) getting involved with movements such as the Alpha Course which present teachings that are contrary to sound Biblical doctrine, is very disturbing and clearly indicates a lack of Biblical discernment.  A pastor is held accountable to God concerning what they teach and how they protect their flock, in spite of many pastors who reject the fact that they are to be shepherds who are to feed the Word of God to their congregations.  And those who follow after Steven Furtick, (instead of following Christ) and who do not test what S F says and does in light of Scripture, (as God’s Word clearly shows us we are to do –Acts 17:11) will very likely be led into getting involved with the Alpha Course when they see that Steven Furtick, their pastor, is a part of Nicky Gumbel’s Holy Trinity Brompton Leadership Conference.

Also, if James MacDonald continues to highly praise Steven Furtick, and not make the people who attend Harvest  aware of the dangers of the Alpha Course, (which I hope James is aware of) he will also be guilty again of failing to protect his sheep from false teachers. 

Whether a Christian is a pastor, a teacher, or simply a repentant follower of Jesus Christ who places their trust only in the finished work of Christ on the cross, and rests in the fact that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, we are all to be Bereans and test things in light of Scripture.

Steven Furtick’s choice to be a part of Nicky Gumbel’s Leadership Conference, is a decision that could possibly influence many to get involved with the Alpha Course.  And in so doing, he will be held responsible for any who are led  into spiritual deception.  (Mark 9:42)

In the following video some of the disturbing comments you will hear is… Nicky Gumbel saying to all the leaders in attendance,

“This is a conference with a purpose.  And the purpose is to see the transformation of this nation.”

You will also hear Christine Caine say, 

“We’re leaders… in the kingdom of God!  “...you and I are personally responsible for the evangelization of planet earth before the second coming of Jesus.”

At the  2:32 mark you will also hear Judah Smith say, concerning Catholic monk, Luigi Gioia, 

“When I read his emails it’s like reading an epistle from Paul.”

RELATED SCRIPTURES

“If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in Me–to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.” (Mark 9:42)

“Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly .” (James 3:1)

“Therefore I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of all men.  For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God.  Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.  Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.  I now that after I leave , savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.  Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.  Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:26-31)

Unfortunately, time does not permit me to express all my concerns to you in detail about the Alpha Course, and why seeing Steven Furtick (and so many other professing Christian leaders) getting involved with it sets off loud alarms in my discernment detection system and raises large red flags before my eyes, so please consider reading the information below so you can learn much more.

MORE IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON THE ALPHA COURSE

THE DANGERS OF THE ALPHA COURSE

THE ECUMENICAL COMPROMISE OF THE ALPHA COURSE

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UPDATED MONDAY MAY 13TH – VIDEO OF FIRST SESSION

PLEASE BE SURE TO TEST ALL THAT IS SAID IN LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE! (ACTS 17:11)

ARCHBISHOP JUSTIN WELBY, CHRIS HYMAN, AND BILL HYBELS

YOU CAN WATCH ‘LIVE’ ON MAy 18th AND 19th AT  LINK BELOW

8:38A.M. LIVE NOW!! SPEAKING NOW…ROMAN CATHOLIC, PATRICK LENCIONI, ON…

‘THE IMPORTANCE OF A CULTURAL LEADER/ SERVANT LEADERSHIP’

10:34a.m. LIVE NOW!! SPEAKING – PETE GREIG-DIRECTOR OF PRAYER AT HTB AND FOUNDER OF 24/7 PRAYER.  HIS BOOKS INCLUDE ‘RED MOON RISING’ AND ‘GOD ON MUTE’ 

UP NEXT WILL BE NICKY GUMBEL

**LIVE!! 5/18th AND 19th CLICK HERE TO WATCH>>HTB LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE 2013<<**

WILL BE ADDING VIDEOS OF UPCOMING SESSIONS AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE

(NOT SURE HOW LONG THESE VIDEOS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO WATCH)

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SESSION 2 PATRICK LENCIONI AND PETE GREIG

In this video, starting at 1:55:50, you will hear Pete Greig endorse not only personal revelations from God, but also speaks of Henri Nouwen, having a ‘secret place’ with God, quotes Eugene Peterson, promotes Mark Batterson’s unbiblical form of prayer in his book, ‘The Circle Maker,’ and he also encourages the unbiblical and mystical form of prayer known as ‘Lectio Divina.’

Clearly, Pete Greig is being led by his feelings and seeking experiences to connect with God, and encouraging those who listen to him to do the same.  Gone is the reading the Word of God in context as the Biblical way to hear from God and to get to know Him personally.  So much more could be said, but I was hoping to write Part 1 of my testimony today, but wanted to comment on the HTB Leadership Conference, and to post these videos for all of you, and to urge you all to please make sure you test things that people say (who claim to speak for God) against the truth of God’s Word.  (1 Thessalonians 5:21,22, Acts 17:11) So many Christians are being led astray by these unbiblical, mystical, and even occultic practices that are being promoted by many so-called Christian leaders today.

INFORMATION FOR YOU

SACRED READING (LECTIO DIVINA) BY PASTOR GARY GILLEY

THE INFLUENCE OF CHRISTIAN MYSTICS MORTON KELSEY AND

JOHN WIMBER ON THE ALPHA COURSE

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SESSION THREE – NICKY GUMBEL (LAST SESSION FOR TODAY)

In this video you will hear Nicky Gumbel share how John Wimber prayed for him to receive the ‘Holy Spirit.’  Test what he says in light of Scripture.

INFORMATION ON THE TORONTO ‘BLESSING,’ JOHN WIMBER, AND MORE

TORONTO: ANTICS AND HERETICS – CECIL ANDREWS PART 1 OF 2

INFORMATION ON NICKY GUMBEL AND ALPHA IN PART 2 STARTING APPROXIMATELY @44:22

CECIL ANDREWS PART 1 OF 2 ‘TORONTO: THE FACTS

SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY PART 1 OF 3

FALSE SPIRITS INVADE THE CHURCH – KUNDALINI WARNING

AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE ‘QUICK CAPTURE’ OF THE SCHEDULE FOR TOMORROW’S HTBLEADERSHIP CONFERENCE, STEVEN FURTICK WILL BE SPEAKING.  AGAIN, PLEASE TEST HIS MESSAGE (AND ALL OTHERS) IN LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE.  I WILL ADD VIDEOS OF TOMORROW’S SESSIONS WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE.

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TUESDAY MAY 14th DAY 2

Again, I urge you to test all that will be said and done against the truth of God’s Word!

SESSION 1

PATRICK LENCIONI, CARDINAL CHRISTOPH SCHONBORN, AND ELEANOR MUMFORD

SESSION 2

STEVEN FURTICK AND DANIEL HO

SESSION 3

Thank you very much for stopping by! And thank you very much for taking time out of your busy day to read some of my posts and poems.

God bless you!

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

MY STORY 

WHY I LEFT HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL ROLLING MEADOWS

If it wasn’t for the serious concerns I have — along with many other people — about some of the choices that Founding And Senior Pastor James MacDonald of Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows  has been making over the past few years or so — which led me to finally leave at the end of January 2012 –I could be saying, ‘I have been attending Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows for 15 years now.’  But sadly, I am unable to do so.

For many years I was deeply blessed by James MacDonald’s solid Biblical teachings that flowed from a heart of love for God and His Word. There was such a passion in his preaching that I had only heard in a few other preachers in the 17 years that I had been a Christian at that point in my life when I first started attending Harvest.  And because of his firm stand against false teachers and how he clearly preached against the ‘prosperity gospel,’ I saw James MacDonald as a man who would never stray from Biblical truth…

I guess the saying is true,  “Never say, “Never.”  Sadly, now James MacDonald is involved with some of the very types of preachers he once strongly spoke out against…

SOME OF WHAT I WENT THROUGH IN THE PAST THAT GOD USED TO TEACH ME THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING DISCERNMENT, AND  THE NEED TO TEST EVERYTHING THAT IS SAID AND DONE IN LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE

When I first started attending  Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows near the end of June of 1997, I had just left an Assembly of God church that I had been attending for over 16 1/2 years, because the pastor began to get involved with the Pensacola “revival’ that started at the Brownsville Assembly of God church in Pensacola, Florida.   Unbiblical manifestations were taking place at this church, and my former pastor took time off to go there in hopes of bringing this so-called ‘revival’ back to our church… 

He begins talking about the Pensacola ‘revival’ at the 6:23 minute mark

I gave audio tapes to my former pastor that were not only filled with  comments made by pastors who called a Christian radio program to express their serious concerns about this ‘revival,’ but also comments made by those who had been emotionally and spiritually devastated by what they had experienced at the ‘Pensacola revival.’  I also gave my former pastors a letter I wrote that was filled with Scriptures — as well as my valid concerns about this ‘revival’ — believing that God would certainly use His Word — as well as all the information– to open their eyes so they could see that what was taking place at this revival was not of God.  However, things don’t always turn out the way we pray and believe they will turn out.  Instead, I was told that ‘if I did not agree with the direction the church was going in, then I could leave.’ 

One of my friends was the only other person I was aware of who realized the unbiblical nature of this revival, and she had expressed her valid concerns in written form — along with many Scriptures — and gave her letters to the pastors as well. We were then told that we could not tell the women in our Bible study (that she led, and I helped lead in the final year we were there) that we were leaving, or why. But you can be sure that I made the most of the time in our last Bible Study together with those women! Without coming out and telling them that the direction the pastor was heading in was unbiblical, I did the next best thing and played audio recordings of Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Morris Cerillo — and more — speaking the many heretical things they teach, telling them beforehand how important it is to pray for discernment, and how we always need to test the teachings of those who claim to speak for God, against the truth of God’s Word. (Acts 17:11) (1 Thessalonians 5:21,22) 

Many people at my former church followed these preachers, which was another reason why I chose to play those tapes for them.  Sadly, one woman (who attended my former church) had a three year old daughter who was dying from a brain tumor.  She would go to the hospital every day and pray for her daughter, pray Scripture over her daughter, and play Christian music in her daughter’s room; everything that a loving and desperate mom would do for her daughter was done in hopes that God would heal her.  She died a year or so later, and some people at the church told this woman that her daughter died because she didn’t have enough faith to believe for her daughter’s healing!  There is so much abuse, deception, and heartbreak going  on in churches today, mainly because people lack discernment and they do not read and study God’s Word to know what the truth is concerning many important issues!

As the women in our Bible study listened to the tape that I played for them, the looks on their faces almost made me laugh.  I saw at least one woman’s jaw drop in disbelief as she heard Benny Hinn say some of the things he teaches!  And I would have laughed, if it wasn’t for the fact of how so many people are being deceived by pastors who not only preach the ‘prosperity gospel,’ but also by those who are speaking the delusions of their own minds (Psalm 4:2, Jer. 14:14, Jer. 23:26) instead of first testing their ideas against the truth of God’s Word.  It’s one thing to tell someone that a certain pastor’s teachings are unbiblical, but if you truly know God’s Word, you can’t deny the truth when you hear these types of things coming from their own lips –unless of course, someone chooses to reject the truth that God is trying to reveal to them.

When time allows, please consider listening to the following video series.  You will hear some of the unbiblical —  and even outlandish — teachings of Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, and many other t.v. preachers.  It makes you realize just how important it is to test the teachings of men against Scripture, and the warning Jesus gave us in Luke 21:8…  “Watch out that you are not deceived.”

So, as you can now imagine, when I first began attending Harvest Bible Chapel I was extremely cautious, and listened very carefully to everything James MacDonald said, and tested everything against Scripture as we are all told to do in God’s Word. (Acts 17:11) (1 Thessalonians 5:21) 

During the week I would also listen to James preach on the radio.  I sensed such a witness in my spirit that he was Biblically solid: his preaching pointed us to Christ, he clearly and powerfully proclaimed the gospel, he spoke of repentance from sin, and he clearly spoke against those who preach a false gospel that focuses on ‘manifestations’ and ‘the blessings of God,’ instead of on the true gospel that sets men free from sin and fills them with a desire to turn from sin and live a life that is fully surrendered to Christ.  I was so thankful to my friend– who had left my former church with me — for telling me about Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows!

In 1999, God used the Scriptural truths James MacDonald presented in his series, ‘I Really Want To Change…So Help Me God,’ to convict me and make me realize that I had to finally deal with certain matters that I knew I had to make right with God –and I did.  There is true freedom and peace when we submit to God; then worry and fear can no longer  have a hold on us.

RED FLAGS

For many years, all was well — or so I thought.  I grew in my commitment to Christ under James MacDonald’s teachings every Sunday as he led us verse by verse through many books of the Bible, and I met many warm and wonderful people.  And yet, every now and then during all that time, something would happen that would cause me to be concerned.  First it was noticing that the women’s ‘Bible studies’ were mostly based on books written by man, instead of being on different books of the Bible.  Many of the books were written by Beth Moore, which is cause for alarm all by itself, as EBenz of Do Not Be Surprised  makes us realize through the information she posts on her website.

Below I have listed some of the many other concerns I had as time went by.  Lord willing, when time allows, I will elaborate on them, add more concerns, and add more links to information. 

(Added 7/16/12) In 2004 — if I remember correctly —  James MacDonald reveals to us that we will all be seated in church divided into ‘flocks’ according to age groups, and each ‘flock’ will have its own ‘flock leader.’  Though this plan was presented to us, it never came to pass –much to my relief!  Do any of you remember that??

(Added 10/14/12 On April 25, 2010, James, preaching through the Book of Revelation, shared how a Jehovah’s Witness man rang his door bell as he was preparing for his sermon on Chapter 14 — which ironically(?) speaks of the 144,000.  He shared with us how he chose to chase the Jehovah’s Witness man and his son away from his home, and away from his neighborhood.  I remember being deeply grieved at the thought of him passing up an opportunity to share the gospel with them, and also grieved when many people in church responded by choosing to laugh at what James chose to do, instead of being stunned into silence at his lack of compassion and desire to share the gospel with these sincere, but sincerely deceived people.  If you’d like, you can listen to this sermon here: MAKING THE GOSPEL MY OWN 

Finding Celebration Of Discipline by Richard Foster as well as Sacred Marriage by Gary L. Thomas and Practicing The Presence Of God by Brother Lawrence on Harvest’s Bible Chapel’s ‘Recommended Reading List

Finding Jesus Calling, a devotional book by Sarah Young  in Harvest’s Bookstore

Elephant Room Conference 1 – March 31, 2011

April 2nd and 3rd 2011 Mark Driscoll is guest speaker at Harvest   **(UPDATED 7/15/12) When I first heard that James was getting involved with Mark Driscoll, I wanted to find some information about him to know just what he stood for, and this is what I found that filled me with concern: SBC CONVENTIONFIVE MOTIONS INVOLVE MARK DRISCOLL and this… FROM THE LIGHTHOUSE BLOGMark Driscoll IS A Contemplative Proponent, (ADDED 7/24/12)>> MARK DRISCOLL RECOMMENDS MANY BOOKS PROMOTING CONTEMPLATIVE/CENTERING PRAYER

May 22, 2011 Pastor James gives an altar call…to join the church

August 14th 2011 – Steven Furtick is the guest speaker at Harvest

January 22, 2012 – James preaches at  Steven Furtick’s Code Orange Revival

January 25th 2012 – Elephant Room 2 T D Jakes,  presently known by many to be a Modalist, is one of the guest speakers

Wayne Cordeiro, who wrote The Dream Releasers is one of the guest speakers at the Elephant Room 2 Conference

Learning in 2011 that the book,  ‘Experiencing God: Knowing And Doing The Will Of God,’ by Henry Blackaby that was used for a ‘Bible’ study at Harvest that I was part of in 1998, is unbiblical.

GOD CONFIRMS MY CONCERNS

On August 14th 2011, while James MacDonald was on his summer break — to rest and to seek God in the direction he was to lead his congregation when he returned — Steven Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church in Charlotte, North Carolina was the guest speaker at Harvest Rolling Meadows.  I put aside all I had heard about him and the impression I received of him by watching the videos posted below, and prayed for God to give me discernment as he spoke.

 

I sat in my usual spot in church — which was the third row from the front — so I definitely was able to clearly hear everything he said.  He began by praising James MacDonald and telling us how blessed we were to have him as our pastor, and continued until he had many people at Harvest loudly cheering.  All around me people stood to their feet and clapped to express their thanks to James, and they filled the church sanctuary with loud cheers and thunderous applause.  

Even though I deeply appreciated James’ ministry for many years, I chose to remain  seated because I was no longer in agreement with the direction he seemed to be going in —  and leading us in as well;  I would not allow myself to be pressured into standing along with everyone else and applauding.  It was a matter of principle, no matter what others may have thought of me because I chose not to stand. 

As I looked all around, the only other people that I could see who remained seated were two people who sat in front of me.  Even my friends joined in the somewhat chaotic goings on!  I must admit the verses in Acts 12:21-23 about ‘Herod not giving praise to God and how he was struck down by an angel and eaten by worms and died’  came to mind.  That’s how out of control it was for at least 30 seconds — although it seemed much longer.  Only God deserves that level of praise!

Then I was shocked as Steven Furtick began to judge our hearts by loudly and arrogantly telling us that we were judging him because of how he was dressed and because he was so young!  I wasn’t thinking anything like that, and I am sure no one else was either!  We were there hoping to hear God’s Word preached!  Something we really didn’t hear, to be honest with you.  His message was based on 1 Samuel 14:1-7, which was taken out of context and he seemed to be using it to promote the message in his book, SUN STAND STILL.’   

He ended his message by telling us to send James a text message saying,  “I am with you heart and soul.” (1 Samuel 14:7)  I came home feeling shocked, sad, disgusted, discouraged, and so alone!  I couldn’t understand how James could have first allowed Mark Driscoll –and now Steven Furtick — to take his place and ‘preach’ to us when he is supposed to watch over us and protect us from those who twist and distort God’s Word!  (Acts 20:28-30)  ( (Lord willing, I will add more information to prove my valid concerns about Steven Furtick and Mark Driscoll in the near future. (Added information on M D above, under ‘Red Flags’).   In the mean time, watch the videos posted above on Steven Furtick, and please be sure to listen to the shocking things that Mark Driscoll says on the video posted at the link below, entitled ‘MARK DRISCOLL ADDRESSING A GROUP OF ACTS 29 PASTORS’ ).

Hoping to find some more information on Steven Furtick, I went online and did a ‘search’ using ‘Harvest Bible Chapel Steven Furtick,’  and found this: “THE STEVEN FURTICK SHOW” NOW PLAYING AT HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL  I found encouragement and comfort from EBenz, (as do all who have been devastated by what is happening at Harvest — and other churches, as well — when they find their way to her blog) and her Biblical analysis of Steven Furtick’s sermon (in which EBenz heard by going to the  Harvest Bible Chapel she once regularly attended) confirmed my thoughts as well. Since I have nothing to hide, I will tell you that I posted under the name of ‘No Longer Alone.’

REASONS WHY I LEFT HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL

In the final year or so before leaving, I noticed a difference in how James was preaching that filled me with concern.  It seemed as if he was using passages of Scripture to work in what he was really trying to say to us.  Pray for discernment, listen to the following sermon that James preached on May 6th 2012, and see what your conclusions are… (UPDATE 3-29-14 LAST NIGHT THIS VIDEO WAS TAKEN DOWN.  IT WAS CALLED ‘DRIVING CONSUMERS OUT OF THE CHURCH’).

Through many of the sermons James preached  in 2011, I felt as if he was trying to manipulate us and use fear tactics to silence us into submission and make us think that any serious concern we had was actually rebellion.  Was I the only one sensing that?  None of my friends expressed any concern.  I was very close to leaving but chose first to sincerely pray for James, and I even took time many Sundays after church to pray for him.  I didn’t share any of the details with my friends, but simply told them ‘I was going to stay for a while and pray for Pastor James.’

Depending upon what happened during the Elephant Room Conference 2 on January 25, 2012 — concerning T D Jakes and his Modalistic beliefs and the ‘prosperity gospel’ he preaches — would determine if I would stay or leave. Would T D Jakes be questioned about his beliefs on the Trinity?  Would they use Scripture to try to help him see the truth concerning the Trinity? Because even though the word ‘Trinity’ is not in the Bible, and it is completely impossible to fully comprehend this truth with our human minds, the concept is clearly presented in Scripture and it is one of the basic doctrines of Orthodox Christianity. Would they lovingly confront him concerning the ‘prosperity gospel’ he preaches? 

Sadly, in spite of the fact that Mark Driscoll did question T D Jakes about his beliefs and asked him to explain how he now understood the Trinity, it is clear to hear by listening to many videos of the conversations with T D Jakes during E R 2, that at the end of the night he was declared as having embraced the Biblical understanding of the Trinity, in spite of the fact that he continued to use Modalistic language as he explained what he now believes.  (Please consider listening to the videos below and reading the information at the links below, as well).

Upon learning what happened — or should I say what didn’t happen — concerning T D Jakes, I decided not to return to Harvest.  These Scriptures in 3 John 1:3,4 spoke to me loud and clear:

“It gave me great joy to have some brothers come and tell about your faithfulness to the truth and how you continue to walk in the truth.  I have no greater joy than to hear that my children are walking in the truth.” 

In spite of  the fact that I had no idea what church I would now go to, and the sadness I felt from leaving after so many years, and the close friends I would have to leave behind, I made the decision to leave and honor God by ‘walking in the truth. ‘ 

Even though it has been over five months since I left Harvest, I still pray for James, all those in leadership — as well as for all the people who attend Harvest — and I will continue to do so. 

I would like to sincerely say thank you and express my deep appreciation to the pastors who boldly took a stand for Biblical truth and disassociated from Harvest.  (See information posted below, under ‘SOME DEVASTATION CAUSED BY E R2’)  May God richly bless each of you and your ministries.  You acted in a Biblical manner by first going to him and personally expressing your concerns to James MacDonald and the elders, as well as warning James about the choices he has been making.  What a godly example each of you are to the people at your church as being a shepherd who watches over your flock and protects them from deception, false doctrine, and false teachers, (Acts 20:26-31) and who ‘earnestly contends for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.’  (Jude 3)  Each of you will definitely hear Jesus say to you,  “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.”  (Matthew 25:21)  Something that all of us — who follow Jesus and have learned the importance of ‘contending for the faith,’ — long to hear one day.

I also want to personally express my thanks to some of the many in Christian ministry who have openly taken a stand for Biblical truth and continue to voice their concerns about what happened during E R 2: Thabiti Anyabwile,    SENIOR PASTOR OF FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, GRAND CAYMAN, James White of ALPHA AND OMEGA MINISTRIES, Carl Trueman, A CHRISTIAN THEOLOGIAN AND DEPARTMENTAL CHAIR OF CHURCH HISTORY AT WESTMINSTER THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY, Voddie Baucham, PASTOR OF GRACE FAMILY BAPTIST CHURCH who was invited to be a part of E R 2, but turned down his invitation after being invited when it was made known that Mark Dever,  SENIOR PASTOR OF CAPITAL HILL BAPTIST CHURCH chose to pull out of E R 2 shortly after it was announced that T D Jakes would also be a participant, . 

Many thanks also to EBenz of DO NOT BE SURPRISED and CHRISTIAN RESEARCH NETWORK, Ken Silva of APPRISING MINISTRIES and CHRISTIAN RESEARCH NETWORK, and Chris Rosebrough of FIGHTING FOR THE FAITH.  God bless all of you and your ministries, as you continue to take a stand for Biblical truth and use Scripture to expose the deception and chaos that is taking place in the church in so many ways today!

**UPDATED 10/13/12 ** Many thanks also to Scott William Bryant for his blog, BLOOD STAINED INK, where he has written and posted numerous articles shedding light on the valid reasons that many have because of the unbiblical direction that James MacDonald seems to be heading in.  In doing so, Scott has given many devastated attendees and members of Harvest Bible Chapel not only an opportunity to openly express their hurt and concerns, but also he has given them an opportunity to interact with, and to encourage one another, as well.

By now many of you are probably aware of the new website that was set up by Scott William Bryant, as well as by Ryan Mahoney, (who now also writes for ‘BLOOD STAINED INK’), called THE ELEPHANT’S DEBT.  Both of these men and their families formerly attended Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows. 

Briefly, here is part of the reason for their website: 

The Elephant’s Debt is a website dedicated to exploring some of the underlying reasons why many people have recently begun to both privately and publicly question the ministry of Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel of Rolling Meadows, Illinois.”  SOURCE

I will not be commenting or writing about this.  I will, however, ask you to please pray for Scott, Ryan, and for their families, as well as discernment, wisdom, and courage for the many families who still attend Harvest. I also would like to ask you to please earnestly pray for Pastor James –as well as for all the other pastors and elders at this time —  for God to have His way in their hearts.

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For those of you who have left a church — or who have been ‘catapulted’ out because you chose to take a stand for Biblical truth by expressing your concerns to those in leadership — this video is for you:

YOU MAY BE WONDERING 

Some of you may be wondering what my purpose is in writing and posting all of this, or if I have talked to any of the elders or pastors at Harvest about my concerns before leaving.  So to answer those who may have those questions, I will tell you:

My main purpose in writing this is to take a stand for Biblical truth; to ‘earnestly contend for the faith’ (Jude 3)  in a day when spiritual deception is increasingly invading many churches.  And sadly, many Christians are unaware of what is taking place right before their eyes!  We trust those in leadership, and many of us would never even consider the possibility that we could be led astray by any of them!  All of us need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ alone.  We are never to think so highly of a pastor or a preacher that we find ourselves at the point of thinking that their words can be completely trusted and that there is no need to test their words and actions in light of Scripture.  Remember the Bereans tested the words of Paul the apostle daily against Scripture to see if what he said was true, and God used him to record His words in most of the New Testament!  How much more then should we now test the words of men in a day when so much spiritual deception is taking place, to see if these things be so!

“Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” (Acts 17:11)

I urge you to test every sermon that James MacDonald preaches, as well as the messages of pastors that James MacDonald associates with, endorses, or allows to preach from his pulpit, and any other pastor or teacher you may listen to.  Read along in your Bible to make sure that the verses their sermons are based on are really saying what you are told they are saying.  Read the verses in context; you get a full understanding of the meaning of the verse by reading the surrounding verses.  Above all, pray for discernment!  There is so much spiritual deception entering churches everywhere today because people fail to test things in light of Scripture! (Read the information at the links I added to the ‘Introduction’  of my poem, AN ANCHOR FOR MY SOUL, to learn more).

Another purpose I have for writing this, is I am hoping that those of you who have serious concerns about the things that are happening at Harvest Bible Chapel — or any other church you may be attending — may be led here — as well as to many other sites where people stand for Biblical truth and express their valid concerns about what is happening there and elsewhere — so that you may have your thoughts and valid concerns confirmed by information and Scriptures. 

There was a time when I thought that I was the only one who had concerns about the direction that James MacDonald was going in.  That is, until I found comments on videos and other blogs that made me realize there were many others at Harvest who had concerns as well.  There was comfort in knowing that I was not alone as I sought God for wisdom to confirm my concerns and to reveal to me through the truth of His Word what He wanted me to do.  So now I am hoping that those of you who may feel sad, disconnected, confused, and alone — and can’t understand why no one else is concerned like you are — may be led here, as you pray and seek God concerning what He would have you to do.  I pray you will find comfort in knowing that you are definitely not alone.

And yes, I did express my concerns to someone at Harvest, Rolling Meadows.  When I received a form email that they send out to those who have not been in attendance for over a month — for one reason or another — I decided to reply.  I told them the reason why it had been over a month since I last attended, was due to the fact that I am no longer attending Harvest.  I explained some of the reasons why I left, but first I made sure they knew how blessed I was by the sermons that James preached for many years since I first started attending. 

I would have talked with an elder or a pastor in person before I left, but to be honest with you, I didn’t think there was anyone there who would take my concerns seriously.  And sadly, the replies I received from the email I sent expressing my concerns, clearly confirmed that. 

My prayer for James is — and will continue to be — for God to open his eyes and make him finally realize just how far he has drifted away from being the man he once was; a man who stood strong for Biblical truth and would never compromise.  I pray he will go back to focusing on preaching the gospel in all its beauty and simplicity.  The gospel was — and always will be — the power of God unto salvation.  (Romans 1:16)  We need no new plans or methods to grow the church.  God alone is the one who will do that, as we are faithful to preach His Word and pray…”They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.  And the Lord added to their number daily those who are being saved.  (Acts 2:42,47)

SCRIPTURES TO REFLECT ON

“Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.  Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.  They will turn their ears from the truth and turn aside to myths.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4)

“See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.” (Colossians 2:8)

“Watch your doctrine and your life closely.  Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.” (1 Timothy 4:16)

“A man of many companions may come to ruin.” (Proverbs 18:24)

“Bad company corrupts good character.” (1 Corinthians 15:33)

“Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave Himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.  But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.  Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.  For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person — such a man is an idolater — has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.  Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.  Therefore do not be partners with them.  For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord.  Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord.  Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.  For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.  But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible.  This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”  Be very careful, then, how you live — not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil.  Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.” (Ephesians 5:1-17)

“Be self-controlled and alert.  Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” (1 Peter 5:8)

“Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of all men.  For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God.  Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.  Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood.  I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.  Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.  Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” (Acts 20:26-31)

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AT THE ELEPHANT ROOM 2 CONFERENCE

THABITI ANYABWILE, SENIOR PASTOR OF FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF GRAND CAYMAN AND A COUNCIL MEMBER WITH THE GOSPEL COALITION SHARES HIS THOUGHTS WITH US CONCERNING T D JAKES AND THE ELEPHANT ROOM 2 CONFERENCE

VODDIE BAUCHAM PASTOR OF GRACE FAMILY BAPTIST CHURCH SHARES HIS THOUGHTS ON THE ELEPHANT ROOM 2 CONFERENCE

DAVID NORMAN OF BLOG DOT COM SHARES WITH US WHY JAMES MACDONALD IS WRONG AND T D JAKES IS WRONGER

TREVIN WAX OF THE GOSPEL COALITION SHARES HIS THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ELEPHANT ROOM 2 CONFERENCE– PRO AND CON —

JAMES WHITE – REVIEWING T D JAKES’ COMMENTS IN THE ELEPHANT ROOM

JAMES WHITE ‘THE FORGOTTEN TRINITY’

**(ADDED 4/07/13)**JUST FOUND THE FOLLOWING VIDEOS CONCERNING JAMES MACDONALD, T D JAKES, AND ‘ELEPHANT ROOM 2’  Todd Friel points out the fact that James MacDonald is not the same, and plays clips of James at E R 2 to demonstrate how he no longer takes a firm stand on the importance of doctrine.  Sadly, there are many of us who strongly agree. 😦 

PART 1 OF 3

‘JAMES MACDONALD IS DEFENDING T D JAKE.  BAD NEWS’

‘IS T D JAKES ORTHODOX OR ANOTHER EVASIVE MODALIST?’  YOU BE THE JUDGE

‘HAS T D JAKES BROUGHT THE WORD OF FAITH INTO ORTHODOXY?’

‘WAITING FOR PUBLIC REPENTANCE FROM T D JAKES’

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SOME DEVASTATION CAUSED BY THE ELEPHANT ROOM 2 CONFERENCE CONCERNING T D JAKES

#1 HARVEST BIBLE CHURCH IN DETROIT DISASSOCIATES FROM HARVEST BIBLE FELLOWSHIP

#2 HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL PRESCOTT AZ DISASSOCIATES WITH HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL

#3HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL NEW LENNOX DISASSOCIATES FROM HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL FELLOWSHIP

#4FOURTH CHURCH KICKED OUT FROM FELLOWSHIP VIA CATAPULT?

#5 **ADDED 4/7/13** FIFTH CHURCH SEPARATES FROM HARVEST BIBLE FELLOWSHIP

BE A BEREAN (ACTS 17:11) – TEST THE FOLLOWING MESSAGES IN LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE

1)CLICK HERE>>MARK DRISCOLL ADDRESSING A GROUP OF ACTS 29 PASTORS

2)CLICK HERE TO LISTEN TO THE APRIL 25th 2012’s FULL VERSION OF >>PASTOR JAMES MACDONALD SPEAKING TO A GROUP OF PASTORS AT HARVEST U<<  His message is entitled, ‘FIVE THINGS YOUR PASTOR WANTS YOU TO KNOW BUT CAN’T TELL YOU’  This message is a ‘must listen to’ for all who attend Harvest and have not yet heard this!

Now please consider going to the following link and listen to a well done Biblical analysis by Chris Rosebrough that he did on May 16th 2012 of the above message by James MacDonald.  Again, pray for discernment, and test everything that is said–  by both Chris, as well as James — in light of Scripture: HERESY IS THE NEW ORTHODOXY

SOME FINAL QUESTIONS AND TIME TO USE OUR CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS:

In the ‘Purpose Statement’ for the E R, it says:

“The Elephant Room is more than an event.  It is the outgrowth of an idea.  The idea that the best way forward for the followers of Jesus lies not in crouching behind walls of disagreement but in conversation of all kinds of leaders about what the Scriptures actually teach.  We must insist on the Biblical Gospel, right doctrine and practice but not isolate ourselves from relationship even with those who believe much differently.

These are conversations about the most Christ honoring ways of building a church.  Our goal is unity, however a true unity cannot be fashioned in pretense or denial of truth nor can it be won among those who prefer sectarianism to the unity Jesus prayed for.  To advance Christ’s call to unity we must do what men have always done, we must push and prod and challenge and sharpen each other’s beliefs and methods.  Fidelity and fruitfulness, both matter.  No one has a corner on the truth and methods must do more than ‘work.’ (SOURCE)

Knowing that we will all stand before God one day and give an account for the things we have done with our time, will James MacDonald be able to confidently stand before God and say that he ‘earnestly contended for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints,’ (Jude 3) concerning the time he spent in the E R with T D Jakes?

Can James MacDonald confidently say that he is watching over the people who have been entrusted to his care at Harvest, when he is clearly blurring the line between truth and error by declaring T D Jakes as now having an Orthodox view of the Trinity, when so many Biblical scholars who have analyzed what T D Jakes said during the ‘Elephant Room Conference’ disagree?

If, as the E R ‘purpose statement’ clearly states, “We must insist on the Biblical Gospel, right doctrine and practice,” why then was T D Jakes not confronted on the ‘prosperity gospel’ that he preaches? 

Why wasn’t T D Jakes asked more direct questions concerning his belief on the Trinity? 

If T D Jakes no longer holds to the Modalistic view of the Trinity, why then has he not openly repented and made it clear verbally and in writing that he no longer holds to that view but now embraces the Biblical view of the Trinity?

Since God’s Word clearly shows us in 1 Peter 5:8 that ‘the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour,’ could it be possible that the ‘Elephant Room Conference’ — an idea that started out with so much potential for God to use James MacDonald to firmly but lovingly use Scripture in order to expose error in certain pastor’s ministries, and to encourage certain pastors to ‘insist on the Biblical Gospel’ — is now being used by Satan to distract and deceive James MacDonald in order to lead him astray?

Knowing that God’s Word tells us that ‘the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked, who can know it,’ (Jer. 17:9)  how can James MacDonald be certain that the idea for the Elephant Room Conference was from God? 

If he will say it was not specifically an idea from God but just his own idea, does he not realize that he is still accountable to God for what he allows to take place in the E R? 

Does he not realize he is still responsible for the information he presents to the people at these conferences that will also be recorded on DVD’s for people to purchase and listen to? 

Knowing that we are to confront those who teach error, can James MacDonald really say that God is pleased with him when he failed to confront T D Jakes concerning his prosperity teachings; teachings that he once strongly spoke out against? 

SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT

Knowing that God’s Word says in Ephesians 6:10-17, that we are to put on the full armor of God so we can take our stand against the devil’s schemes, and that we are fighting not against flesh and blood, but rather against the rulers, authorities, powers of this dark world, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms,’ could it be possible that Satan is using some of the pastors that James is now involved with in order to silence or destroy his ability to discern truth from error? 

Knowing that God has used James and his ministry in powerful ways for so many years to reveal the true Gospel to many seeking truth, and leading a person to a true understanding  that ‘if the Gospel message hasn’t changed you, then it hasn’t saved you,’ and again remembering that ‘the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour,’ — could it be possible that Satan is leading James astray in an attempt to destroy not only his ministry but also James himself? 

IN CONCLUSION

Don’t ever give up or allow anyone to shut down the ability that God has given you to discern truth from error; don’t ever allow anyone to lead you to believe that what you may hear being said or what you see happening (in a church or elsewhere) that is giving you a strong sense of concern because it seems unbiblical — is actually rebellion.  If something does not line up with Scripture, you can be sure that it is God’s Holy Spirit revealing truth to you through God’s Word to expose errors and to protect you from being deceived. 

I assure you that my motive is not to tear down Pastor James MacDonald, his ministry, those in leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel, or any pastor he chooses to involve himself with.  I am not judging James MacDonald’s heart or his intentions, for God’s Word clearly says that He will be the one to do that  (John 12:48, Hebrews 4:13, 2 Peter 3:9-14)  My intent clearly is to make believers alert and aware of what is happening in many churches today, and the importance of praying for discernment and testing everything in light of Scripture, (Acts 17:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22), so that you will not be deceived by anyone.

All of us need to be reminded that Jesus warns us many times in Scripture that spiritual deception will take place in the last days (Matthew 24, Luke 21).  One has only to look at the condition that our world is in today, and it won’t take long to realize that we are indeed living in the last days: same sex marriage being made legal, gender confusion, abortion, the destruction of the family as we once knew it, increase in the divorce rate even among Christian couples, famines, the increase and intensity of earthquakes worldwide, the attempt to destroy the nation of Israel, denial of Biblical truth as well as the many attempts to destroy Biblical truth and to reinvent Christianity.  Sadly, many Christians are being led into deception and even ‘departing from the faith’ by accepting ‘doctrines of demons’ ;  they are deceived into embracing unbiblical ‘new age’ practices, simply because they are ‘Christianized’ by being introduced now as ‘Contemplative Prayer,’ ‘Lectio Divina,’ ‘Ignatian practices,’ and ‘Christoga’ — an attempt to merge yoga, (a practice that seeks to yoke a person with the Hindu God Brahma) with Christianity, and still claim that it is an exercise).  I could go on and on. 

Please consider doing a ‘search’ on the above terms on some of the many Christian websites that seek to ‘contend for the faith’ and expose spiritual deception with solid Biblical truth, such as:APPRISING MINISTRIES,  CHRISTIAN RESEARCH NETWORK,  DECEPTION IN THE CHURCH, DO NOT BE SURPRISED, LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS RESEARCH, and SOUTHERN VIEW CHAPEL for detailed information on these unbiblical practices. 

(ADDED 7/16/12)  Here’s a link to some very good information by Gary Gilley, to start you off on your search for truth and help you realize how some people can use the reading of Scriptures — something that seems innocent and wonderful — to actually lead you into an unbiblical and dangerous occultic practice know as SACRED READING (LECTIO DIVINA) Is this happening at your church?  Please don’t allow yourself to be deceived!

Spiritual deception in different forms has been entering churches for a long time now, and many are being led into deception.  Don’t allow yourself to be deceived; pray for wisdom and discernment, read and study God’s Word, and be sure to test everything in light of Scripture.  Daily choose to walk in truth, and follow and obey Jesus and Him alone!

I could say so much more, but will allow the thoughts in my following poem that came together out of a heart filled with concern over what is happening at Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows speak for me.  May God give you eyes to see and ears to hear what He is revealing to you, and wisdom and courage to know and to do what He is showing you to do.

Please pray with me that God will give wisdom and a strong sense of discernment to James MacDonald, those in leadership at Harvest, and especially to the people who attend Harvest — and other churches — where the slow drift from Biblical truth to compromise is taking place.  Pray that God will give James MacDonald a heart of true repentance and that he would return to having his main focus be on preaching the gospel as he once did — in truth, in power, and without apology.

“Devote yourselves to prayer, being watchful and thankful.” (Colossians 4:2)

“I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes…”  (Romans 1:16) 

Lord willing, I will be updating this post with more Scriptures, more for you to think about, and more information as well, when time allows.  

**UPDATED 10/24/12** IS IT BIBLICAL WHEN A PASTOR ‘CASTS A VISION’ FOR HIS CHURCH? CHRIS ROSEBROUGH FROM ‘FIGHTING FOR THE FAITH‘ /LETTER OF MARQUE  GIVES US A BIBLICAL ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION IN HIS HOUR LONG INTERVIEW ON THE ‘ISSUES ETC.’ RADIO PROGRAM>>‘IS VISION CASTING BIBLICAL?’  CONSIDER ALSO LISTENING TO THE VIDEO THAT FOLLOWS, WHERE CHRIS ANSWERS A LISTENER’S EMAIL CONCERNING VISION CASTING

**UPDATED 6/30/13** (Few final thoughts added).

By now I am sure that at least some of you are aware of the fact that three Elders have recently resigned from Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows: Scott Phelps, Dan Marquardt,  and Barry Slabaugh.  According to the Elders Update on Harvest Bible Chapel Rolling Meadows website, this is what they say:

Capture elders updateI just noticed — and find it quite interesting — that the final comment I originally saw in the above Elder’s update before I used ‘quick capture,’  has now been removed.  And that comment was:

“Cue the music. It’s time to sing, “We’re United.” 

The point I was going to make — and still will make — is this: How can the writer of this ‘update’ speak so often of  ‘unity’ when three — not just one Elder– has had concerns?   Or in their words, 

“These men have expressed dissatisfaction over many months with how compensation is set, how elder authority is shared, and whether Pastor James has truly owned his part in past conflict.” 

If there was just one Elder who had concerns — as valid as they could still be — it wouldn’t clearly signal a problem. However, three elders in ‘unity’ over concerns/’dissatisfaction over many months’ is something that should not be overlooked.

How also can they continue to speak of ‘unity’ knowing full well of the many — who attend, or who are members of Harvest — who have expressed their sadness and concerns to some of the Elders about the direction that James is now going in, only to have their concerns be ignored?  Or worse yet, how can they speak so much about ‘unity’ when some of these Elders — or even Pastors — have belittled, ridiculed, or even ‘catapulted’ some of these people out of Harvest?! 

How can they continue to speak of ‘unity’ when they are aware of the many who have left Harvest; some sharing their valid reasons for doing so, some choosing to let their absence speak for them instead of their words, letting Harvest leadership know that they are not ‘united’ with James and the direction he is leading the church?

They continue to speak of ‘unity’ and yet so many people at Harvest are discouraged and running out of hope after  praying and waiting for many years (just as I did before finally leaving) believing that James will repent and return to focusing on preaching the gospel, and that he would also distance himself from certain pastors who many of us have valid reasons to be concerned about.

The writer of this ‘Elders Update’ begins by saying, “The Elders are unanimously satisfied with his (James’) response to the criticism received,” and in doing so, they seem to downplay and disregard the fact that three Elders are not satisfied.  They report their “gratitude for the “unity” that has prevailed among our Elders during this season,” and speak of ‘God being gracious to consistently’ maintain our unity of purpose and spirit,” and then this person seems to just simply and casually interject and — dare I say — even tries to hide or blend into this update the most important  statement that clearly shows the truth that there is disunity among the Elders, by then following with,  “An isolated dissension among three elders, Scott Phelps, Dan Marquardt, and Barry Slabaugh, has come to a climax in recent weeks.  These men have expressed dissatisfaction over many months…” Note that they have been expressing their dissatisfaction over many months, and that these are not recent concerns they have had.  Concerns that must be so significant to them that they chose to stand strong and not come comfortably under their collective authority, (as mentioned in the update) but chose instead to resign.  Let’s be in prayer for these men and their families.

Many other questions come to mind when reading that update.  The most important one being that one is left to wonder –just how many other Elders might possibly have valid concerns, yet stay silent because of fear of losing their jobs?

Continue to pray, Harvesters.  Pray especially for discernment.  Continue to pray for James, Rick, the campus pastors and the Elders, and for those who attend and are members of Harvest.  Study and search the Scriptures, and think carefully about all that you are told from the pulpit. 

Please know that I am praying for all of you.  God bless you.

**UPDATE 10/7/13**

For those of you who have been wondering about Dave Corning, and why it is that no one has seen him around Harvest Bible Chapel for such a very long time, you don’t need to wonder any longer.  He has decided to come forward and release his statement concerning why he and his wife Betsy left Harvest so that he can not only address the character of James MacDonald, but also so he can defend the character of the two elders, Scott Phelps and Barry Slabaugh, who were the focus of a video played for the entire congregation during their church service (which you can hopefully still see >HERE

In this video the people of Harvest Bible Chapel were told by HBC Elders, Paul Inserra, Steve Huston, Randy Williams, and Jamie Harrison to: separate themselves from these false messengers,” — meaning, Scott and Barry — and to “avoid these former Harvest elders at all cost…” 

Scott and Barry were also accused by these elders when they stated: “Their goal is to discredit our pastor and divide this church.”

One of the most disturbing things that those at Harvest Bible Chapel heard were the words spoken by  James MacDonald right before the video was played.  And his words were:

“I just want to remind you that God has entrusted spiritual authority to the local church.  And every local church has an authority under God and we believe that the Bible teaches that the authority of the church is invested in the elders.  And that when the elders speak collectively in agreement they speak for God to our church.”

When I heard him say those words, it was as if I was “catapulted” (sorry for using that word in light of what many of us know concerning HBC) back in time to when I was a Roman Catholic.  Catholics are told that when the pope speaks “ex cathedra” (Literally “from the chair.”  When the pope speaks in matters of faith and doctrine, he is said to speak infallibly; speaking the very words of God, and therefore all Catholics must believe what he says) then they are to believe his words without question, because he is speaking directly from God.  So for James MacDonald to tell those at Harvest that “when the elders speak collectively in agreement they speak for God,” basically many who have their total trust in the leadership at Harvest may not pray for discernment and may not use the ability that God has given them to carefully think about what is being said and some may even choose not to test what is being said in light of Scripture as God’s Word clearly shows us we are to do in Acts 17:11 and 1 Thessalonians 5:21,22

“Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”

“Test all things; hold fast to what is good, reject every kind of evil.”

With so much spiritual deception entering the church today, we must fix out eyes on Christ alone and never think so highly of a pastor or his ministry that we would think that there is no need to see if what they say or do lines up with Scripture.  There are devastating consequences, spiritually and emotionally, for all who choose to ignore the many warnings given in Scripture about false teachers and spiritual deception.  I pray you will not be one of the many who have been deeply hurt in these ways.  Please study God’s Word and be a Berean; test all that you hear and see in light of Scripture so that if something unbiblical is ever said or done you will be able to detect it immediately and not be led astray.

You can read Dave Corning’s statement at the link below, along with the other statements that were all originally posted on:  THE ELEPHANT’S DEBT

9/17/13 A FOURTH RECENTLY RESIGNED ELDER, RUSS BARNEY SPEAKS PUBICLY IN DEFENSE OF MARQUARDT, PHELPS, AND SLABAUGH

9/18/13 DAVID CORNING FORMER 20 YEAR CHAIRMAN OF THE HBC ELDER BOARD SPEAKS PUBLICLY FOR THE FIRST TIME

JIM JODREY, FORMER HBC ELDER NOW COMES FORWARD TO GIVE HIS STATEMENT AND CAN BE READ AT THE LINK BELOW:

10/2/13 YET ANOTHER FORMER HBC ELDER AND MEMBER OF THE VOID COMES FORWARD TO PUBLICLY SPEAK FOR THE FIRST TIME

NOW ANOTHER RECENT ELDER, FRED AGASE, HAS LEFT THE ELDER BOARD, AND YOU CAN READ HIS STATEMENT BELOW:

10/7/13 A FIFTH RECENT ELDER HAS LEFT THE ELDER BOARD AND LEFT HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL

**10/9/13**MIKE MEDOWS, FORMER HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL MEMBER, URGES THOSE AT HARVEST TO PRAYERFULLY AND CAREFULLY ASK THEMSELVES AN HONEST QUESTION.  AND YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT THAT QUESTION IS AT THE LINK BELOW:

ONE PERSON’S STORY — MIKE MEDOWS — RINGS FAMILIAR

10/7/13 Ugh!  I wrote SO much more on this update, but Firefox crashed and I lost hours of writing! 😦  I will try again when time allows.  Next time I update a post I will have to hit the ‘Update’ button every few minutes so I don’t lose hours of writing again!

**UPDATE 10/7/13** 8:46 p.m.  I took some time to add most of the thoughts I wrote but lost earlier, and will add some more when time allows.

FURTHER READING:

**ADDED 3-7-14** SPIRITUAL ABUSE — WHEN IS IT TIME TO LEAVE – BY RICK THOMAS

 

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COMMENTS

Feel free to comment and to express your sorrow over what you may have gone through — and your concerns as well — but do not use your comments to attack one another or James MacDonald, etc. 

Comments based on facts will be posted, and comments that seek to expose error, as well, but make a ‘righteous judgment.’  (John 7:24)

When necessary, cite Scriptures to back up your reasons for what you choose to say, and keep your focus on the subject matter at hand. 

Any comments seeking only to draw people to your own site by using links, will not be published.

As much as I would like to, I may not be able to reply to each comment, but I appreciate every one of you who may choose to take the time to make one.

If you would like to make a comment, but do not want to reveal your identity, consider choosing a different name to post your comment under, or post your comment including the fact that you do not want your comment to be posted, and I will respect your request and not post your comment, but will respond to you directly.

Express yourself respectfully to me and to one another.

Keep in mind that comments using profanity will not be published. 

**(ADDED 7/24/12) QUESTIONS FOR YOU

Do you firmly believe that all is well at Harvest, and there’s no need for concern?

If not, what have you observed at Harvest that is causing you to be concerned? 

Have you tried to express your concerns to someone in leadership at Harvest?

If so, what was their response to you?

How many years have you been attending Harvest?

How long have you been concerned about what is happening at Harvest?

Would you all consider gathering together as a group and expressing your concerns to an elder or pastor?

What would be the ‘last straw’ so-to-speak, that would cause you to leave?

Are you at least warning your children and friends of your valid concerns based on Scripture; not to be divisive, but to protect them from being deceived?

If you are attending a church other than Harvest, and are strongly considering leaving, what is happening there that is causing you to be so concerned?

I hope to hear from some of you.

Thank you very much for stopping by and taking time to read some of my posts and poems.

God Bless You

~Mary Dalke/Living4HisGlory

**UPDATED**   SATURDAY, 8/23/14

On Friday I received the following comment through the contact form that I added to this post.  And since I am unable to post comments that I receive through contact forms in the ‘comment section,’ I decided to ‘quick captured’ it and post it below. Lord willing, I’ll reply to Monika’s comment tomorrow or Monday.

Capture Comment made by Monika on 'Warning You With Tears'

**UPDATED 8-26-14 12:33 a.m.** MY REPLY:

Thank you for stopping by, Monika.  And thank you also for taking the time to send me your comment using the  ‘contact form‘ on this post which I now removed to avoid future problems replying to comments. 

Even though you assumed that I wouldn’t post your comment, believing, as you said, that I choose only to post “comments that will justify me,” you can now see that simply is not true.  If you will take time to read some other comments on this post, as well as comments on some of my other posts, you will see that I post comments by those who disagree with me, as well as those who agree with me. 

Even though I have been receiving many more views on my blog over the past couple of years, the reason that there aren’t many comments by those who disagree with me is simply because not many people take the time to make a comment, whether it’s a comment expressing agreement and encouragement, or complete disagreement. 

Concerning judging someone: I will not judge a person’s heart concerning their relationship with God, or their motive for doing what they do, but I will do what God’s Word tells us as Christians to do, and that is to: ‘examine the Scriptures daily to see if what teachers and pastors say is true’ (Acts 17:11),   “make a righteous judgment” (John 7:24), and how we are to ‘judge them by their fruits.’  (Matthew 7:15-20)  We are told to “earnestly contend for the faith,”  (Jude 3) therefore I will continue to be one of many voices warning and reminding believers that we are to “be alert, for our enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour,” (1 Peter 5:8) and how we are to ‘keep our eyes on Jesus’ (Hebrews 12:2) and not on a man and his ministry. 

God’s Word clearly tells us that we are ‘not to judge those outside the church, but we are to judge those inside the church,’ (1 Corinthians 5:11-13).  And in verse 13 God’s Word even says to “expel the wicked man from among you.”  First we must always be certain to examine our own hearts (Matthew 7:5, 2 Corinthians 13:5), using God’s Word as our standard for absolute truth. 

Throughout the New Testament false teachers were called out by name.  (Some examples: 2 Timothy 1:15, 2:17, 3:8, 4:10, 14)  God’s Word makes it clear that “even from our own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after themselves” (Acts 20:25-31)  In Matthew 24 when Jesus replied to the question His disciples asked Him concerning ‘what would be the sign of His coming and of the end of the age,’  the first thing He was quick to say was,  “Watch out that no one deceives you,” making it very clear that spiritual deception will be prevalent in the days immediately preceding His return.  We must be on guard so that we will not be deceived by false teachers.  Studying God’s Word and warning others of false teachers is part of a believer’s responsibility so that we might protect ourselves and others. 

Many are now aware of how God is beginning to expose the sins and failures of certain men in ministry, and He will continue to do so.  A pastor is held to an even higher standard than we are, and he is to reflect the character of Christ , and to be holy as He is holy in word and in conduct  just as other believers are to be.  Sadly, though, many pastors these days fail in both of those areas and do not measure up to the qualifications for an elder listed in Titus 1:6-9 

I sin daily in many ways, and have never claimed to be perfect.  When I sin it is a constant reminder to me that I am a wretched sinner saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, and I will be forever grateful for what Jesus did for me, and so very thankful that God opened my eyes to the truth of His Word by His Holy Spirit. 

The sad truth is that many Christian leaders today have lost the “fear of the LORD.”  I can say that because a true God-fearing man would not do and say the things that some pastors have done and said if they had a reverent fear of God.  While I will admit there is definitely no such thing as a perfect church or a perfect pastor, God has clearly revealed in Scripture how a true man of God is to live, and how we are to trust God to grow the church (Acts 2:47) and not use worldly marketing strategies and present a watered-down gospel which will only succeed in producing  ‘false converts.

I am happy to say that for the past 2  1/2 years, I have been attending a church that is pastored by a very humble man.  And although he is not perfect, (for none of us are), he reflects the character of Christ, and also faithfully preaches God’s Word verse by verse, Sunday after Sunday without twisting Scripture in an attempt to use the text for his own purposes.  However, because of all the warnings in Scripture concerning false teachers and spiritual deception in the last days, I have learned the importance of being a Berean (Acts 17:11) and will continue to test everything in light of Scripture because I am a follower of Jesus Christ and not a follower of a man and his ministry.

And, no matter what others may say or think about me, I will continue to bring to light what needs to be exposed, always taking time first to examine the intentions of my heart, and pausing with reverence and fear before a Holy God whom I will one day stand before and have to give an account of my life to, as we will all have to do one day.  And, with that thought always on my mind, it becomes the other reason why I cannot remain silent when something needs to be exposed, because, regardless of what you may think, as long as our motives are pure, we as Christians do have the responsibility to warn others so that they would realize the importance of following Jesus Christ alone  so they will never be led astray.

God Bless You, Monika

Sincerely,

Mary (Just a simple woman who sincerely does spend time in prayer with our Redeemer).

 WARNING YOU WITH TEARS

He once stood strong and never wavered from all that’s Biblical and true,

But now my pastor’s slow drift to compromise has caused him to do things I

never thought he’d do,

So now I look around my church and wonder, as my eyes fill up with tears,

Lord, is it now time for me to leave, after all these years?

Who will warn them if I go, this concern weighs on my heart,

But I will choose to trust You, Lord, and ask that discernment to them

You will impart,

Twice now, men were placed in the pulpit, who told stories and twisted

Your Word,

They led many people to erupt with cheers and thunderous applause in

thanks for my pastor, but a Biblical teaching  was never given; never heard,

When following the crowd it’s so easy to be misled,

What we need to do is pray and be discerning, and think critically instead,

So many lack discernment, for they place their trust in these hi-profiled

Christian men,

They neglect to test these pastors words against Your Word, time and time

again,

How could he have allowed those certain men to take his place and

‘preach’ on days when he wasn’t here,

If these men reflect what my pastor now believes, the time for me to leave

indeed is near,

There was a time when I left my church but came back and continued to

pray for him to change,

Yet my pastor now seems to prefer having ‘conversations’ discussing the

‘elephant in the room,’ and my concern heightens over things that sound

quite strange:

Most pastors beckon people forward to repent and follow Christ, just as

Jesus said, “Repent” and “Follow Me,”

Yet my pastor once urged people to ‘come forward to become a member of

the church,’ and many came forward, how could this be?

I am warning you with tears, don’t be so quick to believe and respond to all

you are told and told to do,

Don’t allow emotions to rule and mislead you, only respond to things that

are Biblical and true,

Be alert and aware, and be sure to compare, the words of men with the

truth of God’s Word,

For the time is now here, and I warn you with tears, manipulation mixed

with truth is now heard,

Do not be deceived, only God’s Word must be believed, no matter what

others may say,

Discernment He will give you, and wisdom to know what is true, if you

choose to seek God and earnestly pray,

The lines have been blurred between truth and error, by what he has done

and continues to do,

But we must take time to examine the Scriptures, and in context see

if what is being said is really true,

Will you listen to God’s Spirit as He opens your ears and eyes,

To lead you into all His truth and out of confusion and compromise?

Deep in your heart some of you know the time has come, to take a stand

for truth and finally leave,

But first please express your valid concerns, even though their response

to you may cause you to grieve,

The time has come for all of us, to follow Christ, and Christ alone,

To test the words of everyone, and by His Spirit His truth we will be shown,

Will you respond to His call and choose to walk in truth, just as we are

clearly told to do?

Or will you stay and ignore God’s leading, and this prayerful, tear-filled

pleading, the choice is now completely up to you.

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Scriptures taken from The Holy Bible New International Version® 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society.  Used by permission of Zondervan.  All rights reserved.

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**UPDATED TUESDAY 8-26-14**  12:34 a.m.  ADDED MY REPLY TO COMMENT MENTIONED IN UPDATE BELOW.  (SEE DIRECTLY UNDER THE ‘QUICK CAPTURE’ OF THE COMMENT.  DATED 8-25-14)

SATURDAY 8-23-14**  ADDED COMMENT I RECEIVED THROUGH THE ‘CONTACT FORM.’ I ADDED TO THIS POST WHICH I NOW REMOVED TO AVOID NOT BEING ABLE TO POST THESE COMMENTS IN THE COMMENT SECTION AND REPLY TO THEM THERE, AS WELL.  (DATE IN RED).

**UPDATED FRIDAY 3-7-14 ** ADDED EXCELLENT ARTICLE ‘SPIRITUAL ABUSE – WHEN IS IT TIME TO LEAVE’ BY RICK THOMAS – SEE UNDER ‘FURTHER READING’

**UPDATED WEDNESDAY 10/9/13 ** — ANOTHER FORMER HARVEST MEMBER  — MIKE MEADOW — SPEAKS OUT AND WARNS THOSE OF YOU AT HARVEST TO PRAYERFULLY AND CAREFULLY CONSIDER JAMES MACDONALD’S CHARACTER IN LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE

**UPDATED MONDAY 10/7/13 ** 

UPDATED SUNDAY 6/30/13 2:19p.m.** 

**UPDATED TUESDAY 6/25/13** IN LIGHT OF RECENT DEVELOPMENTS, I WILL BE BRIEFLY UPDATING THIS POST (LORD WILLING) TOMORROW, WITH NEW INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF.  UNTIL THEN, I ASK THAT YOU EARNESTLY PRAY FOR DISCERNMENT CONCERNING WHAT YOU ARE BEING TOLD AT HARVEST BIBLE CHAPEL ROLLING MEADOWS, AND LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE TO SEE IF  ANY VALID QUESTIONS COME TO MIND.  THINK FOR YOURSELVES! 

PRAYING FOR ALL OF YOU.

**UPDATED 4/07/13** ADDED ‘WRETCHED RADIO’ VIDEOS I JUST FOUND CONCERNING ‘T D JAKES AND ER2,’ AS WELL AS ‘5th CHURCH SEPARATES FROM HARVEST BIBLE FELLOWSHIP’

TO AVOID FURTHER PROBLEMS, CONTACT FORM HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED FROM THIS POST.  IF YOU’D LIKE TO CONTACT ME, CLICK ON THE ‘IF YOU’D LIKE TO CONTACT ME’ AT THE VERY TOP OF MY BLOG. THANK YOU.